XeSS upscaling

[Nubarique Joe]

Maybe a bit off topic, but what are your thoughts on XeSS upscaling as compared to other types?
The reason I'm asking is I have an old PC and GPU (GTX1080Ti) and the demo ran just several fps short of 60fps on my config (on Ultra settings at 1080p). So to stabilize the fps and lock it at 60fps I tried upscaling methods in quality mode. And to my surprise of all the different upscaling methods availible to me in the demo (so no DLSS), XeSS Quality resulted in the most stable and overall better picture quality. Other methods including FSR resulted in very noticeable and annoying shimmering especially on the leaves and only XeSS provided the picture almost as stable as in the native 1080p. Also I found the resulting picture quite pleasant, a bit softer than native, but quite acceptable. Reminded me of FXAA output, but without shimmering.

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I'm finding XeSS upscaling to 1080p at Quality mode the best in terms of picture quality and frame rate on my 1660 Super. I tried FSR but it looks much worse and dips framerate more.

[[GND] Charcharo]

For lower resolutions I think all 4 methods are bad. At 4K it seems to go DLSS > XeSS > FSR > TSR (though TSR has SOME props over other methods, it isnt always a "gooder, more gooder, best gooder" thing).

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Indeed, I had it on XeSS all the time. FSR is pretty much unusable.

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Originally posted by Sophie:

I'm finding XeSS upscaling to 1080p at Quality mode the best in terms of picture quality and frame rate on my 1660 Super. I tried FSR but it looks much worse and dips framerate more.

Well that is an Nvidia card which doesn't have DLSS. So that explains the fps. FSR is meant for AMD cards, I got decent fps on it but it still looks bad.

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Originally posted by GND Charcharo:

For lower resolutions I think all 4 methods are bad. At 4K it seems to go DLSS > XeSS > FSR > TSR (though TSR has SOME props over other methods, it isnt always a "gooder, more gooder, best gooder" thing).

Yes, quality mode on XeSS will render the game internally at 720p so it's not fantastic, but better than the alternatives I'm finding so far, at least on an Nvidia card.

It's a shame there's no option exposed in the menu for Xess Ultra Quality which would render the game internally at ~830p. I use this mode on Remnant 2 and it looks pretty good.

[DEN [CT]]

Originally posted by Sophie:

I'm finding XeSS upscaling to 1080p at Quality mode the best in terms of picture quality and frame rate on my 1660 Super. I tried FSR but it looks much worse and dips framerate more.

Wait... you get better frame-rate with XeSS than FSR? (We're talking about 1080p output res here, right?)

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Originally posted by DEN CT:

Originally posted by Sophie:

I'm finding XeSS upscaling to 1080p at Quality mode the best in terms of picture quality and frame rate on my 1660 Super. I tried FSR but it looks much worse and dips framerate more.

Wait... you get better frame-rate with XeSS than FSR? (We're talking about 1080p output res here, right?)

1080p output (TV is native 1080p).
Very old CPU, Core i5 3450
1660 Super 6GB RAM

FSR is giving more drops, which feel quite obvious. I will check again later though to make sure I'm not imagining it.

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Originally posted by Sophie:

Originally posted by DEN CT:

Wait... you get better frame-rate with XeSS than FSR? (We're talking about 1080p output res here, right?)

1080p output (TV is native 1080p).
Very old CPU, Core i5 3450
1660 Super 6GB RAM

FSR is giving more drops, which feel quite obvious. I will check again later though to make sure I'm not imagining it.

Like I said, that is an Nvidia card. So you will get no (or bad) hardware acceleration for FSR. Nvidia users should make use of DLSS instead, but your card does not support it. Basically your card is not meant for upscaling.

[[GND] Charcharo]

Originally posted by lankaras:

Originally posted by Sophie:

1080p output (TV is native 1080p).
Very old CPU, Core i5 3450
1660 Super 6GB RAM

FSR is giving more drops, which feel quite obvious. I will check again later though to make sure I'm not imagining it.

Like I said, that is an Nvidia card. So you will get no (or bad) hardware acceleration for FSR. Nvidia users should make use of DLSS instead, but your card does not support it. Basically your card is not meant for upscaling.

This isnt true. FSR gets an uplift in terms of performance from FP16 speed, but apart from that its equal for all architectures. And the 1660 has good FP16 performance. So do all newer/more powerful Nvidia archs.

[[GND] Charcharo]

Originally posted by DEN CT:

Originally posted by Sophie:

I'm finding XeSS upscaling to 1080p at Quality mode the best in terms of picture quality and frame rate on my 1660 Super. I tried FSR but it looks much worse and dips framerate more.

Wait... you get better frame-rate with XeSS than FSR? (We're talking about 1080p output res here, right?)

Question regarding DLSS/FSR/XeSS:
1. Can FSR and XeSS and DLSS get the Ultra Quality Options?
2. Can they also get the Ultra Performance Option?
3. Why is DLSS 3 Frame Generation still not available even on newer driver versions? Surely this is a fixable problem (the one that caused you to originally limit it to a couple of driver versions).
4. Can we get native Res FSR2AA and XeSSAA? The first is an option for FSR2, the second is more or less something that should work like DLSS does.

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Originally posted by GND Charcharo:

Originally posted by lankaras:

Like I said, that is an Nvidia card. So you will get no (or bad) hardware acceleration for FSR. Nvidia users should make use of DLSS instead, but your card does not support it. Basically your card is not meant for upscaling.

This isnt true. FSR gets an uplift in terms of performance from FP16 speed, but apart from that its equal for all architectures. And the 1660 has good FP16 performance. So do all newer/more powerful Nvidia archs.

I think we are talking about FSR2, no? It isn't *called* that in the game but I assume it will make use of that under the hood?

[[GND] Charcharo]

Originally posted by lankaras:

Originally posted by GND Charcharo:

This isnt true. FSR gets an uplift in terms of performance from FP16 speed, but apart from that its equal for all architectures. And the 1660 has good FP16 performance. So do all newer/more powerful Nvidia archs.

I think we are talking about FSR2, no? It isn't *called* that in the game but I assume it will make use of that under the hood?

Yes, FSR2 and all of its versions use FP16 (or FP32) acceleration.

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Originally posted by GND Charcharo:

Originally posted by lankaras:

I think we are talking about FSR2, no? It isn't *called* that in the game but I assume it will make use of that under the hood?

Yes, FSR2 and all of its versions use FP16 (or FP32) acceleration.

And you say that a 1660 will do FSR2 just as well as AMD cards?

[[GND] Charcharo]

Originally posted by lankaras:

Originally posted by GND Charcharo:

Yes, FSR2 and all of its versions use FP16 (or FP32) acceleration.

And you say that a 1660 will do FSR2 just as well as AMD cards?

As comparable in power AMD cards, yes. I think it supported double speed FP16 just like RDNA1/2/3/Vega. Ampere and Ada technically do but see no benefits but with so much FP16/FP32 from the get go, its a whatever situation for them. Nothing lost, even if nothing gained.

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Originally posted by GND Charcharo:

Originally posted by lankaras:

And you say that a 1660 will do FSR2 just as well as AMD cards?

As comparable in power AMD cards, yes. I think it supported double speed FP16 just like RDNA1/2/3/Vega. Ampere and Ada technically do but see no benefits but with so much FP16/FP32 from the get go, its a whatever situation for them. Nothing lost, even if nothing gained.

Well, you seem to know what you are talking about, so I'm not going to argue with you on that. But it seems a bit strange. Because that would mean that while Nvidia has DLSS, AMD has... well, nothing. And all of that is just marketing?