Which ship is the fastest?

[123]

Swimming takes a huge amount of time, especially when you need to swim a few squares.
Which ship is the fastest?
Without extra load, just with basic blocks and NPCteam

[Nokim]

assuming you know best sails to put on for top speed and just standard weight.
galleon and schooner are the fastest, followed by brig.

[123]

Originally posted by Nokim:

assuming you know best sails to put on for top speed and just standard weight.
galleon and schooner are the fastest, followed by brig.

Why brig loss vs schooner? brig can use 3 large sails, schooner only one..
And galleon have 6 large sails(if i not mistake) vs 1 large+1smal(or 2 medium) sails on schooner.. galleon not x6 faster schooner ? why? or base weight galleon so crazy big and down speed hard?

[Swordy]

Originally posted by フリクリ:

Originally posted by Nokim:

assuming you know best sails to put on for top speed and just standard weight.
galleon and schooner are the fastest, followed by brig.

Why brig loss vs schooner? brig can use 3 large sails, schooner only one..
And galleon have 6 large sails(if i not mistake) vs 1 large+1smal(or 2 medium) sails on schooner.. galleon not x6 faster schooner ? why? or base weight galleon so crazy big and down speed hard?

we cant explain why, you have to ask the devs why they made the schooner faster then a brig and a sloop the slowest and the biggest the fastest, but after the big update u can see the exact speed knots ingame, so take every ship with full wind and try it out urself, fact is that a galleon with 6 large speed sails is the fasttest atm and a schooner with 1 large speed and 1 small speed got the second place in terms of speed. my record was 22 knots on galleon and 17,5 on a brig, didnt testet the schooner so far but think its about 19 knots highspeed.

[Nokim]

if we really calculated things im sure it has something to do with the default weight of ships in comparison with base speed+bonus.

[123]

Originally posted by Swordy:

Originally posted by フリクリ:

Why brig loss vs schooner? brig can use 3 large sails, schooner only one..
And galleon have 6 large sails(if i not mistake) vs 1 large+1smal(or 2 medium) sails on schooner.. galleon not x6 faster schooner ? why? or base weight galleon so crazy big and down speed hard?

we cant explain why, you have to ask the devs why they made the schooner faster then a brig and a sloop the slowest and the biggest the fastest, but after the big update u can see the exact speed knots ingame, so take every ship with full wind and try it out urself, fact is that a galleon with 6 large speed sails is the fasttest atm and a schooner with 1 large speed and 1 small speed got the second place in terms of speed. my record was 22 knots on galleon and 17,5 on a brig, didnt testet the schooner so far but think its about 19 knots highspeed.

How you test it, use mods (because i dont see "speed" my ship)?
p.s. you have broken my sweet dreams of "flying" over the seas :D

[123]

Originally posted by Nokim:

if we really calculated things im sure it has something to do with the default weight of ships in comparison with base speed+bonus.

Then:
There is a skill at the ship that reduces the effect of weight on speed.
Does this skill affect the base weight or just what is loaded.
What is the value of increasing the speed of weight gives each level?
In the game, alas, it is not described, it is not clear ...

[Nokim]

the problem is the sails themselves don't tell you what the default bonus is. for example.
large speed sail = 100%+ uknown amount of speed
handling sail we know its 100% speed + acceleration but what% default acceleration we don't know.

its not in the tooltip.

only BPs include this.

so a green BP might say 103% speed for a large speed sail.
so thats uknown bonus+3%. impossible to calculate with an unknown number.

speed is determined by weight, so to get 100% speed you would need 100% 0f weight available. I don't think base speed stacks only bonuses.

for example lets say our uknown number is 3% speed. that means all large speed sails give you 103% speed.


assuming schooner thats 103% possible speed (1sail)
galleon would be 118% possible speed (6 sails)


however...a schooner has 9k weight out of that probably 2k get lost in furnishings minimum repair mats etc.so roughly thats 80% of weight or 80% of 103 possible speed. which leaves you with 83%/100% max speed?

(my math could be off im not a math teacher)

galleon is 30k weight usually about 7 k in minimal design, repair mats etc. so really you are at 77% max speed when empty.
but assuming each sail adds 3%, thats 18%+77%=95%/100% speed.

this is part of it.
but to explain why the brig is not faster than schooner. i suspect each ship may have different speed value, not necessarily at even incremental rates.
for example.

schooner no sails 100%
brig no sail 103%
galleon no sail 110% speed. something like this would really screw up weight/speed percentages against a brig.

[Sleazy Ninja]

I found and this is not calculated but just by impressions the following the fastest to get around:

An empty sloop with a medium speed sail: fast and decent handling
A schooner with 1 large + 1 small speed sail: really fast, especially at minimum weight

But for short trips i usually just take the sloop, to carry stuff the schooner

[123]

Thanks for the detailed discussion.
But I have a question on this point:

Originally posted by Nokim:

assuming schooner thats 103% possible speed (1sail)
galleon would be 118% possible speed (6 sails)


however...a schooner has 9k weight out of that probably 2k get lost in furnishings minimum repair mats etc.so roughly thats 80% of weight or 80% of 103 possible speed. which leaves you with 83%/100% max speed?

(my math could be off im not a math teacher)

galleon is 30k weight usually about 7 k in minimal design, repair mats etc. so really you are at 77% max speed when empty.
but assuming each sail adds 3%, thats 18%+77%=95%/100% speed.

Suppose on the schooner there is 1 big sail and we forgot about the small one.
It will be 103% speed with a green sail.
But why does a galleon give 118% speed with 6 sails?
I do not know much about seafaring, but 6 sails should give traction more powerful.
Even with a fair wind, the effect is similar to a turbine .. let all 6 sails and do not work by 103%, but certainly not by 118% in total.

If the schooner weighs 2k and at 1 sail gives ~ 103%
That galleon with weight as 3.5 schooners, on 6 sails must give at least 170% +.

Can also add wind resistance, friction force(more big body ship) and etc effects what can be in water.. idk.. for to reduce speed .. but still the weight of the galleon does not fit his speed with 6 sail..

This is certainly a game, and everything here does not have to be like in reality .. But.. Developers pls add full description with numbers for parts like sail and for skills ship :(

[Nokim]

they will never give out full details, most is theory based on observations.

from what i can experience the bonus seems cumulative, it has to be because every sail from a bp comes with a different bonus based on crafting skill.

so six sails 3%+3+3+3+3+3=18(assuming a theoretical 3%bonus, for all i know its 1%)

don't even go into wind, because thats also complete guess work.but my guess is calms seas are a -speed, normal ocean are 100% and storms give +speed depending on direction.( i think of it as hidden buffs/debuffs to speed)

not understanding how you came up with 170%

a big questions will always be, what is 100%speed? 30knotss, 20 knotts? who knows. it may vary by ship. with patch coming i hear rumors speed will be added so im sure people we do tests and we will have some numbers to test with and narrow our theorys to actual numbers.

my 3% may be calculated into a legit number once we have actual speed numbers.

[123]

Originally posted by Nokim:

not understanding how you came up with 170%

If a schooner with 1 big sail of green quality will be considered as 103% of the base speed,
then a galleon with a base weight of 3 schooners and 6 sails should roughly give:
6x103% - weight 3.5 schooner (360.5% speed) = 258% speed relative to its weight with 6 sails.
After all, 1 sail gives 103% speed at 2k, why can't 6 sails give at 7k - 258% in the same conditions?
170% is just me underestimated in mind various factors.

But if we assume that the additional sails cannot penetrate the basic level of speed or give a meager increase, it turns out to be easier to build only 3 large sails.
Will remove weight 3 sail, remove extra team for this 3 sail, and speed will not be lost hard..

This is just a theory not supported by facts, I hope there will be people who will derive the exact formulas of what and how it works .. alas, I am weak in this.

[Daywalker]

btw you can see your shipspeed with the sextant buff

[Nokim]

i kinda see what you are doing, it seems like you are only counting the weight reduced for furnishings etc as a base for speed. You cant do that. because its all based on the max weight capacity of the ship before you reduce given starting weight.


a schooner starts a 9k weight, if you want to tripple that aka 3 schooners thats 27k weight.

thats already 3k weight LESSS than 1 galleon that starts off at 30k weight.

remember we are assuming 100%speed = 100% weight not used. for a schooner thats 9k=100%speed
for a galleon thats 30k=100% speed.

weight%= relative speed % its easy to get confused with the values as they are both %.
if we stick a cool number like say...30knots = 100% speed then its easier to see.

schooner weight 9k weight=30knots
-2k or ~20% and you are down to 30-6(20%)=24knotts with basic weight.
then you add +3% or 30*.03=.9knots putting you at possible top speed of 30.9knots -6knots=24.9knots max speed


galleon 30k weight = 30knots
-7k or ~23% and you are down to 30-6.9(23%)=23.1knotts basic weight.
then you add 6 sails= +18% or 30*.18=5.4knotts putting you at possible top speed of 34.54-6.9=27.64 knots max speed


keep in mind my 2k and 7k are just estimates.i like to have a forge, mithy, loom, tannery and 2k of every repair resource on the boat for me thats usually 7k weight by the time im ready to sail. others may not care for that or that much resource.
but even with that in mind is easy to see how the galleon and the shcooner are so similar in speed and how the galleon can get slightly faster.


hope that clears it, my head hurts now.

[Nokim]

Originally posted by Daywalker:

btw you can see your shipspeed with the sextant buff

good to know. iv never bothered to spec for it.

[123]

Originally posted by Nokim:

i kinda see what you are doing, it seems like you are only counting the weight reduced for furnishings etc as a base for speed.

I apologize, just English is not my main language.. and I seem to have misunderstood you in this moment with weight, and a misunderstanding has gone.
Thanks for the clarification :)

Originally posted by Daywalker:

btw you can see your shipspeed with the sextant buff

Now we know, thx :)