[blueprint] crafting doesn't fully make sense

[lalala]

Upgrading kits cheaper than crafting the tier green and blue. Maybe okay for purple, if you don't have ancient relics...

Even the argument that crafting enables you to do it if you can't buy it doesn't hit. The moment you get the recipe without having access to it and scrapping it, the moment you have many stations where to buy and upgrade it...

The crafting system is mostly nonsensical. No time to write all down, I guess its so obvious the dev should have already realized it himself?

My question is, is there any plans to make it make more sense?

[lalala]

Oh and just so its clear. I'v spent some time into the game, so its overall not that bad. Some design decisions arn't quite my (with the station and system levels), but its not entirely killing it.

[MegaKootz]

I think you might want to spend a little more time developing this opinion and structuring the post. I would love to help but I am struggling to understand your point.

Yes at low teirs the costs seem the same.. but when you are crafting a capitol sized mkIII epic part, and you compare it to crafting that same part as a white, then upgrading to green, then to blue, then finding an artifact to go purple.. it makes perfect sense why you could craft purple items over upgrading into blue and blowing a relic.

Not to mention some items are so rare that you dont want to scrap them because you may only ever get one, and you may not learn the crafting recipe after one scrap. so not only do you lose the item, but you dont learn the recipe.

Hopefully this helps with your confusion.

I just dont think your opinion holds any water... seems to me its the opinion of someone who played the game for a couple of hours.. then decided that it was all that was to see..

[Hades Dragon]

I think it's in a good spot honestly. I think crafting makes sense and so does the cost. Makes no sense to change it up. Like I said breaking down stuff is still cost intensive, money or loot wise. So of course you should be rewarded with knowing how to make purple of that item if you broke down that many.

[lalala]

I said the only meaningful thing is purple to save relic, but blue and green (+white) doesn't make sense.

Large fusion Reactor green:
- 7 Fine Components
- 3 Microchips
vs
Buy white + upgrade kit
- 2 Base Components
- 2 Microchips

You see a problem? And it gets even worser with more advanced items.
Crafting white, green, blue doesn't make any sense, except the ones that only need base components

Actually, even low tier:

Large Battery:
Buy white + upgrade kit + advanced upgrade kit
- 7 base components
- 2 Refined metal
- 4 Microchips

Large Battery, craft blue:
- 8 base components
- 2 Refined metal
- 3 Microchips

And for this I need to scrap some. Its one of the lowest things, needs only Base components. Everything higher starts to be even more of a waste.

I'v updated title to fully reflect the scope.

[Hykril Tynyx]

Crafting system makes perfect sense and you're just wildly overreacting.

Sometimes it's easier to craft upgrade kits, sometimes it's easier to craft higher-tier equipment directly. Refined metal, for example, is a rather rare material to come across, so advanced upgrade kits are much harder to obtain compared to some other ingredients which the crafting recipes for equipment might require.

[lalala]

If you did read my post, refined metal cost is same even for low tech. I talk at least here based on facts, you taunt me overreacting. Who is overreacting?

[Hykril Tynyx]

Only some blueprints require refined metal alongside other ingredients, while many more don't. To go and re-balance all the blueprints to not clash with upgrade kits is a lot of tedious work - thus, making the smart move and not crafting a higher-tier equipment when you can craft some upgrade kits for it with ease should be a player's choice to make. I don't see a big problem here, if any at all, and you're just nitpicking some minuscule stuff which doesn't suit your particular logic like it's somehow the worst thing to happen to the game, even going as far as calling the entire crafting system "mostly nonsensical". And if you really think it's "nonsensical" then why all the fuss - just don't use this game mechanic, it's not like it's hurting you in any way in the game or forcing you to craft anything for any reason, do your own logical things and craft upgrade kits only, if that's the best way to play the game for you.

[HellSlayer]

Originally posted by lalala:

I said the only meaningful thing is purple to save relic, but blue and green (+white) doesn't make sense.

Large fusion Reactor green:
- 7 Fine Components
- 3 Microchips
vs
Buy white + upgrade kit
- 2 Base Components
- 2 Microchips

You see a problem? And it gets even worser with more advanced items.
Crafting white, green, blue doesn't make any sense, except the ones that only need base components

Actually, even low tier:

Large Battery:
Buy white + upgrade kit + advanced upgrade kit
- 7 base components
- 2 Refined metal
- 4 Microchips

Large Battery, craft blue:
- 8 base components
- 2 Refined metal
- 3 Microchips

And for this I need to scrap some. Its one of the lowest things, needs only Base components. Everything higher starts to be even more of a waste.

I'v updated title to fully reflect the scope.

There is a skill that makes +1 on craft. So you craft blue it becomes purple.
Also if your skills are into scavenging you will be into plenty of materials.

[Horrigan]

Crafting is good in my opinon. The only thing I have a problem with is when upgrading white or green items while not having an upgrade kit, the game doesn't warn you with a pop up message 'are you sure you wanna use an ancient relic?'.

[Hykril Tynyx]

Originally posted by Horrigan:

The only thing I have a problem with is when upgrading white or green items while not having an upgrade kit, the game doesn't warn you with a pop up message 'are you sure you wanna use an ancient relic?'.

Uhmm, but it DOES say that for upgrading something it's going to use an ancient relic if you don't have other upgrade kits, though. You're not paying enough attention, and if you need an additional pop-up for that... well... let's just say that ancient relics are actually quite common if you spend enough time within one sector, and you shouldn't mourn over the loss of one or more of them over a bad upgrade choice.

[lalala]

Originally posted by HellSlayer:

There is a skill that makes +1 on craft. So you craft blue it becomes purple.
Also if your skills are into scavenging you will be into plenty of materials.

Yes I know, I have it. And we are then back again to the fact that purple makes sense, even without the skill, because it saves you relics. Was more about the stages before it. With that skill its even cheaper.

Originally posted by Hykril Tynyx:

Only some blueprints require refined metal alongside other ingredients, while many more don't. To go and re-balance all the blueprints to not clash with upgrade kits is a lot of tedious work - thus, making the smart move and not crafting a higher-tier equipment when you can craft some upgrade kits for it with ease should be a player's choice to make. I don't see a big problem here, if any at all, and you're just nitpicking some minuscule stuff which doesn't suit your particular logic like it's somehow the worst thing to happen to the game, even going as far as calling the entire crafting system "mostly nonsensical". And if you really think it's "nonsensical" then why all the fuss - just don't use this game mechanic, it's not like it's hurting you in any way in the game or forcing you to craft anything for any reason, do your own logical things and craft upgrade kits only, if that's the best way to play the game for you.

The only guy here overreacting and nitpicking all the time is you. First I post prices, you say without looking into my comment or the game "prices are different", I tell you they are not, now you say me refined metals are not needed in every recipe, now again I correct you, they seem to be needed at least for the most. I just went through like 10 recipes higher grade they all need parts that need to be crafted from refined metals. So if there are some that don't need, its not the majority... From how it looks so far is every recipe seem to need some blue part that needs refined metals. How about you stop this pedantic, destructive nonsense here you keep pushing as the only person?

[mistralic]

Crafting makes perfect sense for some items, not for all.
For me in my current run its shield recharger III and propulsion booster II. I need a lot of them, and they are kind of hard to find in quantities needed to outfit my fleet.

[Hykril Tynyx]

Originally posted by lalala:

How about you stop this pedantic, destructive nonsense here you keep pushing as the only person?

Lol, the pot calling the kettle black.

[lalala]

Originally posted by mistralic:

Crafting makes perfect sense for some items, not for all.
For me in my current run its shield recharger III and propulsion booster II. I need a lot of them, and they are kind of hard to find in quantities needed to outfit my fleet.

Interessting. Do you build a lot of yatch size fleet or just high command late game? YOu run out of the white parts to upgrade so you craft? I know the white are not infinite stock

[Ardas]

I also think, crafting equipment is more or less nonsense in the game, if you are playing solo. Refined material isnt that rare, if you mine a bit and have a refinery and there is a skill in the first tree, where you can get it out of debris fields.

Ancient relics are also no problem, but it depends on luck to get them early on. Of course you cant upgrade all the stuff every time, but with a little bit experience in the game, you know what items are good or the best ones.

In my opinion there are only 3 reasons to use crafting:
1. You want to level with resources instead of simply sell them
2. You found a blueprint, but have no source of buying the item.
3. You want a lot of purple items in any stage of the game. Low level farming of relics isnt fun and not worth the time.