Preposterous Trades

[Baron Samedi]

Traded:
Eric Sogard for Yusei Kikuchi
Dalton Pompey for Nomar Mazara
Luke Maile for Aledmys Diaz
Jordan Groshans for Yasmani Grandal
Clayton Richard for the entire Chicago White Sox bullpen

None of these were forced. All were done simply by "shopping" chum at the periphery of my roster. My GM even said that some of them were bad deals for us. LOL.

[Baron Samedi]

Originally posted by O-Dog:

I also am running a Blue Jays simulation and my owner wanted me to sign Eric Sogard to an extension 2 years in a row LOL.

Vladdy Jr also wanted a 9 year, $520 mil extension. I let him go, and he ended up signing with the Phillies for $190m. Phillies traded him back to me 3 seasons later, paying 45% of his salary, when I shopped around a mid level player.

Sounds about right!

[burning.phoneix]

Originally posted by O-Dog:

I also am running a Blue Jays simulation and my owner wanted me to sign Eric Sogard to an extension 2 years in a row LOL.

Vladdy Jr also wanted a 9 year, $520 mil extension. I let him go, and he ended up signing with the Phillies for $190m. Phillies traded him back to me 3 seasons later, paying 45% of his salary, when I shopped around a mid level player.

Couldn't you have negotated with Vlad? How well was he hitting?

[Baron Samedi]

HE HITS SO WELL

It's July 12, 2020.

Through his first 1084 PA: .328/.406/.545 151 wRC+ 10.2 WAR

[Baron Samedi]

On a 20-80 scale Vlad has a 95 contact rating LOL

[mattosika]

Play fictional. All of the problems you describe come from the fact your playing a MLB game. Now you'll probably complain about this answer but that's just life.

[dulany67]

Also, keep in mind that your scout may have different opinions than other teams scouts. Scout accuracy is a setting and can be raised or lowered. Trade logic is also a setting- try setting teams to favor prospects and set trading to "hard" or "very hard."

[Baron Samedi]

There is no logic whatsoever to any of these trades, so I don't see how adjusting settings will improve anything.

EDIT: Anyway, after the most recent update, none of these trades can be accomplished.

So that's good, I guess.

[tscan2004]

Originally posted by Iridescence:

It's OOTP...Great game with a crap trading AI as it has always been. To make it challenging immediately set trading difficulty to "very hard" and do only 1 for 1 trades with the AI (In my experience it is ok in comparing player A to player B on "very hard" difficulty but absolutely will get ripped off if being offered multiple players for one star).

How can it be a "great game" if the AI trading is crap? This needs to be an area that the devs should be focusing on yet year after year they add more useless garbage. I understand it's hard to get a realistic trade simulation but it's always the same old same old with this series. Mention this topic in the OOTP forums and the apologists will come out in droves and defend the game as each edition is the "BEST EVA".

[Bugsy Malone]

Have to agree with most shared opinions. However. Will say this. Many times thought had good trade and turns out to not be so great. Now try to listen more to scouts and asst. GM evaluations. Love the game. Always have. Thinking probably bought every iteration. Long live OOTP. And many thanks for the hard work and updates.

[mrowland]

My favorite one of all time was back in OOTP 18 when I was playing as the Royals, and in 2006, the Royals had a respectable 82-80 season. I was playing as just the manager, not the GM mind you. Greinke was great season in his first full season with the club. He was 3 stars, and his potential was 5 stars. We all know he's a great pitcher.

My GM traded him in the off season for 46 year old Julio Franco, who was then released by the GM 2 weeks later and retired.

You can talk all you want about settings and adjustments, but seriously, how do you take THAT out of this game? That is absolute LUNACY.

[Iridescence]

Originally posted by tscan2004:

How can it be a "great game" if the AI trading is crap? This needs to be an area that the devs should be focusing on yet year after year they add more useless garbage. I understand it's hard to get a realistic trade simulation but it's always the same old same old with this series. Mention this topic in the OOTP forums and the apologists will come out in droves and defend the game as each edition is the "BEST EVA".

What other game allows me to replay 150 years of MLB history with innumerable settings tweaked just to my liking and will produce reasonably realistic sim results? Oh and it'll do it all for one flat price, I don't have to buy hundreds of season files (like some games where it costs like $1000 to get all the seasons). I complain every year about the trade AI. Yes I would like them to work on it but until they do I will simply using my own house rules to work around it and enjoy the many other great features OOTP has to offer.

[AlterEgo45]

They've never had good trading AI in this game. Switching it to 'hard' simply makes the AI offer you stupid, one sided trades which benefit them instead of you.

I never play vanilla anymore because I either have a top player at every position within 3 years or I can't make any deals with the AI since they want a 28 year old 3 time Cy Young award winner and all-star LF for a middling prospect.

I've found the only way to make it work is by turning off visible player attributes and playing stats only, or turning off trades, or having 50 team leagues where you need to win 120 games to take the division. Something like that... I've done dozens of these things over the years.

What I'm saying is if you don't mind customizing a league and customizing rules, the game is great. Don't play vanilla OOTP if you have any experience in management sims. The AI won't be able to match you.

[Iridescence]

Originally posted by AlterEgo45:

They've never had good trading AI in this game. Switching it to 'hard' simply makes the AI offer you stupid, one sided trades which benefit them instead of you.

I never play vanilla anymore because I either have a top player at every position within 3 years or I can't make any deals with the AI since they want a 28 year old 3 time Cy Young award winner and all-star LF for a middling prospect.

I've found the only way to make it work is by turning off visible player attributes and playing stats only, or turning off trades, or having 50 team leagues where you need to win 120 games to take the division. Something like that... I've done dozens of these things over the years.

What I'm saying is if you don't mind customizing a league and customizing rules, the game is great. Don't play vanilla OOTP if you have any experience in management sims. The AI won't be able to match you.

Honestly, trading can easily be turned right off in a single player league. I rarely use it and when I do want to make a trade on very hard I can sometimes find a reasonable one the AI will accept. . It's also pretty easy not to make a blatantly one-sided trade even if the AI will accept it. Only make trades that another human GM would realistically do. I do wish they'd make it better but I guess it is challenging for them being a small studio with only a few ppl working on the game.

[Baron Samedi]

Trading is the most fun aspect of baseball, though.

[AlterEgo45]

Originally posted by Iridescence:

It's also pretty easy not to make a blatantly one-sided trade even if the AI will accept it. Only make trades that another human GM would realistically do.

Lots of people play that way, and more power to them, but I can't do it. If I have to scale myself back in order to play on a level playing field with the AI then there's no point to me. It feels exactly like when I play a board game 'against' my 4 year old, where the goal isn't to do my best and beat his brains in, but to create a close, interesting game where he'll win more often than not.

When I hit a sweet spot in customization, and see an AI team in a 30 team league win 126 games like I did in OOTP17 then I know I've done it right. Customizing is almost a game in itself :)