Anyone else perceive WO/DW characters as weaker than SW ones?

[Figloalds]

In WO4, All SW Characters have this huge dashing combo, which is extremely useful to move around the map and avoid taking damage (as it knocks enemies up and dashes forward a big distance), Tech characters even have that "musou repeater" to deal further damage/evasion/knock down, the only weakness of this dash attack being the defense of enemy officers which is easily counterable. Meanwhile, either I don't quite understand the charge attacks from WO/DW characters or they really suck.
In comparison to WO3U, I sense Wang Yuanji severely nerfed and Kunoichi severely buffed (those are 2 of my favorites), I haven't unlocked Ginchiyo Tachibana yet, but as she's a Tech SW character she's probably some sort of ABSOLUTE GODESS now.
Anyone else who played the previous games find this quite odd, loves it, have mixed feelings or?

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

They are not weaker, they are just not as fast and/or efficient at clearing crowds as the SW, and perhaps less fun to use if you're used to SW's hyper attacks and always rely on them, but they are definitely NOT weaker.
Some of the top tier or very strong characters are WO and DW characters, like Ares, Athena, Odin, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Sima Shi, etc. These guys are better than most of the SW. You can't judge an entire group's strength or weakness based on one type of attacks alone.

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Ginchiyo isn't strong, she takes too long to kill an enemy and her musou isn't on par with Guan Yu in terms of damage and unity gauge refill.
She doesn't have projectile based hyper attack like Ina and Takatora.
Nene is god tier with magic.
I use this setup to farm tier 3 weapons:
Guan Yu/ Zhang Fei spams unity magic, does self buff after. Switch to Nene to get C4 doppleganger. Then spam her raging boar unique magic which can one shot almost everything in the highest difficulty and the range it covers is ridiculous. Within that 15sec, you can even spam again since your musou will not deplete. Without tri-element, wrath, brilliance, -slay which means I have slots for prosperity and appraisal to further increase my loot.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/ControllerPassAway/screenshot/949590558701949810


Doppleganger increases her damage by 3x, self buff by 2x stacking with the attack up status effect from unity magic for another 2x.
Tech characters don't stand out, when you can simply extend your combo by switching characters.

[Harem Route]

I mean... Hyper attacks are OP. That's a fact. And as I have said many times in different topics - that goes double for characters with projectiles, like Magoichi, Ina etc., who on top of just having a hyper attack can also kill officers with it.

That said, a LOT of SW characters' normal attack chains suck. Like really, REALLY suck. Especially the characters who have C8 chains, since their good attacks are often way too far down the combo, and if they get staggered getting there, they are dead. For example, the... whatshisname... Kobayakawa dude. His attack chain is just horrible, far worse than even weakest DW characters.

Then there are a lot of DW characters who have their EX moves as their C2 or even C1. Like Wen Yang, Zhurong, Wang Yi and I think Sima Shi, but don't quote me on that... I may misremember his moveset from DW7, where he was the most op character ever made... But the point is, the faster you get to your awesome attacks - the better. And sure, this makes average characters like Xingcai struggle a bit more, and I still have not found even one use for Yueying, but there are DW characters that are at least on par or even stronger than their SW colleagues.

And I won't even talk about WO characters. They are simply ridiculous, and when Brilliance comes into play... pffft...

[FlabTheInHaler]

My strongest character which clears EVERYTHING with ease and is very fast, is Kotaro Fuma spam Y to get around the map, and RB X with his sacred treasure you should NEVER get hit after RB Y I combo with X X X Y RB X, X X X Y RB X, and repeat. Nothing can touch me and it makes clearing everything on chaos a joke.

[Figloalds]

Awesome, I got few hours invested into this new installment and at first glance I felt that hyper attacks would make DW/WO characters less significant, tyvm for the insights folks

[SCarterE]

DW characters have a better horse musou for those quick speed bursts

[ingosupercute]

Originally posted by Figloalds:

In comparison to WO3U, I sense Wang Yuanji severely nerfed and Kunoichi severely buffed (those are 2 of my favorites

Kunoichi has been strong since her rework in SW4. She has been the same in 4-II and SoS as well. To be honest, I played her too much in said titles so this time around I'm a bit less into her. I think what makes her interesting for O4 is that she is one of the few SW warriors who actually also make for good duelists against officers, so you can use her for everything, because...

Originally posted by Tom Sawyer:

a LOT of SW characters' normal attack chains suck. Like really, REALLY suck. Especially the characters who have C8 chains, since their good attacks are often way too far down the combo, and if they get staggered getting there, they are dead.

This.

I just want to add that you can a bit counter that by adding agilty +10 and maybe even steadfast (gold element for less stagger). Aya is one of my favourite SW because of her looks and personality, but she suffers from the overly long combo chains. With agility she manages to get her freezing rain C8 off which is really clearing house.

Originally posted by Figloalds:

Anyone else who played the previous games find this quite odd, loves it, have mixed feelings or?

Honestly, no. I see it as:
All Samurai warriors are good at one thing and that is clearing crowds if you give them the same few elements into their weapons. The difference in their tier list is how they perform at other things.
For the Dynasty Warriors there are HUGE gaps between them. Some are actually great, some perform average and some just suck completely and fail to deliver.

[Tenshu]

Zhou Yu is still laughably op

[شيطان العرب]

true i felt the same for example i tired tadakatsu honda and i made weapon with bolt , courge ,might ,divinty , agility , fragment ,absorbationn he was strong was kiling any offfciers in seconds then itried the same bulid on keji same result however when i tried this bulid on lubu and gan ning they were verey bad but there is soultion for that you can add slay elemt if u combind warth , slay absorbation , it will solve this issue with dynasty warriors charcters

[generał lepper]

Originally posted by ControllerPassAway:

Ginchiyo isn't strong, she takes too long to kill an enemy

With slay, reach and bolt she's absolute beast, the hyper attacks clear out entire crowds of mobs and even generals. With end game attributes she's invincible.