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Lios May 23, 2018 @ 12:40am
Something i didn't like
Let me start by saying I really liked the game and the more non-linearity of the game in regards to it's predecessor.

But something to me seems a bit off, in particular how some characters "presence" was treated in this game.
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Lios May 23, 2018 @ 12:40am 
S;G Kurisu:
A smart girl who got early into university and published a paper (had a lot of backing by her colleagues) which earned her the funny nickname of "Genius Girl", she isn't really smart as much as she is passionate and knowledgeable about what she's doing due to the events revolving around her father, this also generated a lot of trust issues (both because of her father and the ambient she works in) resulting in her "tsundere" personality where she both tries to push people away to not get hurt and draws them in since she's starved for affection.
As a lab mem she is the logical part of the team always saying "impossible!" when an idea seems too far fetched, this being her biggest block during the development of the time machine.
She also hadn't the biggest part on developing the time machine, she was mostly there to confirm the theory and come up with a logical explanations for Rintaro's discoveries.

S;G 0 Kurisu:
A straight up genius, probably the smartest person alive, she could devellop a time machine herself without any kind of help, and excelling in every field she tried tho get herself into, putting to shame everyone else which in turn made her find herself excluded by everyone.
Has no personality flaws, and she never says that something is impossible
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Lios May 23, 2018 @ 1:10am 
S;G Rintaro:
A socially awkward guy who created an even awkwarder persona to deal with theese situations, while he acts one way his train of thoughts is on a different direction, incredibly observant this lead to a lot of discoveries and farfetched theories and ideas, usually opposed by Kurisu's cold logic.
As a lab mem he had a lot of ideas and a lot of drive for discovery, his strong points were thinking outside the box and connecting the dots which incredibly helped the understanding snd development of the time machine.
This is the whole point about why he and Kurisu are such a good pairing, while they have a lot in common they also are completely different and complete and complement each other perfectly both personality-wise and tought_process-wise.
His "Reading Steiner" made him realize how much he cares about everyone around him (especially Kurisu) and helped him be more honest with his feelings.
While he has high tollerance for traumatic events he's also scared of the whole situation and sometimes needed his friends to push him forward.

S;G 0 Rintaro:
A traumatic event shocked guy who says what he feels except when he would cause someone to find out something or worry about him, his whole smartness comes off of him leeching on Kurisu's geniality and hard work at university, but even then he's a nobody when it comes to discoveries.
His "Reading Steiner" is the only reason about why a lot of people rely on him and has always the need of someone pushing him forward.
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Lios May 23, 2018 @ 2:58am 
S;G Mayuri:
This girl is an easygoing klutz, not the smartest person, actually a bit below the average which leads to some childish interaction with people where she often doesn't understand the context she's in, friendly and open towards everybody anyone who meets her can say she has good intentions, she's also incredibly perceptive of others state of mind and has good insight of their thought process.
As a lab mem she's there originally just for the fun of it, and later when they start a more intense research on the time machine, recignizes that she's useless to the team besides being with them and cheering them up.
She isn't really able to lie because her expressions and mannerisms betray her and she's especially vulnerable emotionally when someone's suffering is because of her.

S;G 0 Mayuri:
A generally normal girl even if a bit of a airhead, she can fake very well being all merry and happy, able to shoulder everyone else's pain, with some strange mannerisms only because what was established in the previous game.
Extremely thoughtful she knows what and what not to say at the right moment.
Lios May 23, 2018 @ 5:54am 
S;G Daru:
The pervy guy with a heart of gold, he's annoying almost always except when the situation requires him to be serious, a very good hacker but by no mean one of the best, he's socially awkward because his passions for h-games and moe culture cuts into his normal/everyday interactions with people, his laziness reflects itself both on his body and in his implicit refusal of acting like a normal person.
He is kind towards his friends but has next to no insight into what they feel like, only truly understanding them if something it's straight up explained or he sees it happened first person.
As a lab mem he is the builder and coder of devices, he played a really big role into the creation of the time machine implementing both Rintaro's ideas and Kurisu's knowledge.
He didn't really break into SERN (SERN even went as far as linking themselves directly into his pc to speed up the process of the time machine development)

S;G 0 Daru:
A pretty insightful guy who acts weird as a part of an act or to relieve the tension, works at a lot of different job and has barely time for himself.
He's also the best hacker in the world.
Knows how to hanle a calm situation even if he acts lazy.
糾う May 23, 2018 @ 7:54am 
eh what

0 greatly expanded the characterization of all of the original cast, you shouldn't treat what you already know about them as being non-existent here. In fact, 0 showed greatly what the real people behind the leisure lab interactions look like. The real Okabe, the real Kurisu, the real Mayuri....
Lios May 23, 2018 @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by loli kurisu:
eh what

0 greatly expanded the characterization of all of the original cast, you shouldn't treat what you already know about them as being non-existent here. In fact, 0 showed greatly what the real people behind the leisure lab interactions look like. The real Okabe, the real Kurisu, the real Mayuri....

Yeah, i loved the character interactions but it's a bit of a circlejerk on the original one.
Before they were incredibly flawed characters that bounced well on each other, here seems almost like they are perfect in every way possible (exept for Rintaro) but the odds are stacked against them.
I mean we have: the best AI programmer in the world, the best Hacker in the world, the best and the second best Soldier in the world, the one that controlls better Reading Steiner in the world (or at least japan), the leader of the most secret Organization in the world all in one city and last but not least the smartest person in the world, all in one city, seems a bit silly to me.

Where before we had: a good hacker, a smart and knowledgeable girl, a klutz and a guy who has strange ideas
Last edited by Lios; May 23, 2018 @ 10:44am
糾う May 23, 2018 @ 12:40pm 
I disagree.

Kurisu's research was already known in the original, Amadeus is the practical scientific application of the basis she used to create the time leap machine. We already knew she held a genius status, but she doesn't work alone! Maho kinda supplements her as well and many scenes hint at their link fulfilling each other together.
Daru was known to be the SUPER HACKA(ER) from the original too. He DID in fact manage to hack into SERN, the direct internet connection was already established because of Braun/FB being the owner of the building.
Suzuha isn't really "the best" in any case, she is just an "unfortunate" person with a great burden that should fix it all at any cost or lose everything.
Mayuri wasn't that stupid as it looked. 0 shows her true nature pretty well, and her character has probably the most depth in S;G as a whole. She pretended the same way Okabe did, once Kyouma died she died inside too.
It's true that Okabe is the most important person and everyone depends on him, but that's kinda the point of his resurrection and a core aspect of the story. Nothing really changed in them to make them OP/more than they already were, you simply look into another angle of their personality.
Sirlion May 24, 2018 @ 2:05pm 
I think S;G is a masterpiece but very rough around the edges. S;G 0 addresses lots of missing character development and doesnt force interactions between characters in any unwanted\unrelated\not-realistic way, it is much less of an "anime" game and more of a serious, albeit less interactive, take on the events. What you are expressing is mostly your own interpretation either with nostalgia googles or with years to think about it and non canon material to attain. S;G 0 is also much shorter than the original, but focuses almost entirely on character interactions and side story development.
The mere fact that the point of view is not always Okabe's is proof that it has more going for it and wants to expand the universe in which the characters move.
Moeka had a wonderful moment, Maho had a good introduction and lots of moments to shine, hell even Rukako got his moments.

Okabe doesnt "leech" out of Kurisu's research, it's more of a way to cope with sorrow and try to move on. He made good progress as a character, definitely superior to his idiotic persona in the original. That is also because he is no more the only vessel for the player but one of the many povs, so we can understand him better seeing him from a different perspective.
Last edited by Sirlion; May 24, 2018 @ 2:05pm
Lios May 25, 2018 @ 7:47am 
Originally posted by Sirlion | 리리 SS++ Tier:
Okabe doesnt "leech" out of Kurisu's research, it's more of a way to cope with sorrow and try to move on. He made good progress as a character, definitely superior to his idiotic persona in the original. That is also because he is no more the only vessel for the player but one of the many povs, so we can understand him better seeing him from a different perspective.

i'm not saying that i didn't like the game, just that i likes S;G better than this one, more serious doesn't mean better, by this way of thinking any generic modern fps that tries to go for a serious tone is a masterpiece.

I loved the various character interactions in this game and i really liked some of the development that some characters got (Daru showing that he cares about suzuha instead of giving her just a "yeah..." like he did in S;G).

My problem with S;G 0 is that while in the first game the character have (and are presented with) a lot of flaws but as the story goes on you actually see a lot of redeeming factors of theese people and you learn why they stick togheter like they do, meanwhile now the same characters are presented as superheroes with minor personality quirks even the new ones don't have almost anything detrimental to them.

I can't take some parts of the game seriously like Motorcycle Girl being able to rip people in half or suzuha dodging gunfire from 25+ trained soldiers at the same time while being out of cover.

And the whole point of okabe abandoning his persona is rendered useless by the end where he gets it back as opposed to:
-Starting with his persona
-Loosing his persona due to traumatic events
-Faking his old persona to tranquillize his friends
Last edited by Lios; May 25, 2018 @ 7:50am
Sirlion May 25, 2018 @ 11:38am 
I think its a matter of perspective, S;G 0 is not meant to be enjoyed alone. It is a part of the experience, so if you go from S;G to S;G 0 then your complaints are less relevant by virtue of the continuation of the story itself. Discussing it as a separate product doesnt make it as such.
I finished S;G many times but this one - Steam release - I have done it till the slap, then I saved and now I'm replaying S;G 0 and the seamless connection makes it all worth the double read, joining them as a single product also resolves some of your qualms.

Sure, we are still talking about an "anime" game where 30 year old girls that look like 12 dont seem to age and people can dodge bullets, but that is part of the charm.

I dont understand this thing about characters being presented as superheroes. I think it is the exact opposite of that. The only one that actually does the job beside Maho, which is a very hard working scientist, is Daru. Everyone else is pretty normal, with their usual flaws and redeeming qualities.
Regarding Kurisu, who is the one that sees her for what she really is ? Only Okabe. The rest of the world sees her as a genius and is treated as such. I dont know what else is there to say. Maho looks up to her immensely but after her conversation with Amadeus' personification of her in Twin Automata and throughout the adventure you know their strenghts are pretty much equal and they complement eachother. Which is also part of Maho's character growth, the whole point is seeing Kurisu as a great scientist but ultimately a normal person.
Last edited by Sirlion; May 25, 2018 @ 11:39am
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