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The Kagari I think you are talking about is in 2025, and that is when the true end recording is made that is sent to Okabe in the original Steins Gate. And it is when Okabe disappears from the world. This is when he gets in the Time Machine to rescue Mayuri and Suzuha who were lost at the end of Vega and Altair. So Suzuha is 8 or so around that time?
So I assume that the Kagari at that point is the Kagari who Okabe ended up preventing from blowing up the time machine that had Suzuha and Mayuri in it at the end of Vega and Altair. This is the second time through, where Okabe ends up using the phone wave so that he can send Mayuri and Suzuha off earlier than the first time, so they don't get blown up by the helicopter missile again when they try to travel through time.
Young Kagari was taken back in time by Suzuha in 2036 or so. So that still ends up happening in that time line in the future. It just hasn't reached that point in the timeline where we see the true end. But it will happen.
I appreciate if anyone sees a flaw in this, because I am working stuff out. I might have some stuff wrong.
I don't know if two Kagari's causes a problem. I asssume not, because it doesn't come up. I can't remember if something similar happened elsewhere in the series.
I guess Suzuha might come close in some of the alpha worldlines in Steins; Gate, due to her getting stuck in 1975. But I don't think there are two versions of Suzuha alive at the same time.
Convergence will probably kill the old Kagari before she meets the younger one.
Vega and Altair.
I might be misremembering how worldlines work, but I thought that world lines stayed the same when Okabe only put his consciousness back in time. Feel free to correct me on that. It's been a while since I played Steins; Gate. I thought he had to send a dmail to actually change the world line. He sent his consciousness back numerous times on some world lines, but he had to find out what people sent as dmails, and then sent a different dmail to actually change it.
All Okabe did was go back to just before Mayuri and Suzuha got blown up. So everything leading up to that event still should be the same. I think an important part of him being able to go back was that it was unclear whether they had died, so since it hadn't been observed, then him going back meant it might still be possible to change the result. And this would mean it could still follow the original time line without requiring a shift to a different one,
The shift was unnecessary because it was possible they could still live in this one. They hadn't been proven to be dead in this one.
Also, Kagari sounds like Yuki still when she tries to stop them. I think the sound of the voice was still important?
I don't know how exactly does Okabe preserve his experiences from there, does he simply gets visions/dreams or somehow uses Suzuha to pass down the information... He definitely doesn't send D-Mails or D-Rines to do that. The VN left things vague. There is the "Amadeus Script" Japanese-exclusive book that describes things in a bit more detail, and actually do mentions that V&A isn't on the same world line as MWC (sadly no one has managed to translate it fully), so I assume Kagari never got the operation. It doesn't make sense to have her otherwise, reverse plastic-surgery is even more unrealistic.
I thought they have the same voice????
About Mayuri/Suzuha: I think whether they get blown up or actually manage to travel, the result would still be the same: getting trapped 70 million years in the past, that's probably also why RS didn't trigger at all in both occasions.
The way the game suggests that other time lines continue to exist and have relevance is already described in Steins; Gate.
Milky Way Crossing Okabe's plan for Steins; Gate Okabe is that he has to deceive the world. That is, all the events have to be observed to be the same. Which is that Kurisu is seen by Okabe and appears to be dead in a pool of blood. This is because MWC Okabe has to be the same Okabe as Steins; Gate Okabe. This is so that Okabe continues to think that Kurisu is dead, so that the events of Steins; Gate Zero can occur. If Steins; Gate Zero occurs, then MWC Okabe can continue to have gone through not only the events of Steins; Gate, but also Steins; Gate Zero.
The reason the MWC Okabe exists is because he gets the D-Rine from Promised Rinascimento. The Vega and Altair Okabe learns that the world can be deceived on the concept of death. This is because Okabe is supposed to die in 2025, according to Suzuha. But as Promised Rinascimento Okabe finds out, this was a trick. What actually happened is that his memories are stored, and his mind is basically destroyed. And then Suzuha and everyone else is told that he died.
So what this indicates is that there are events in a world line that if not observed, can still appear to be the same, but there are possibly tricks available to have the event still happen, but a different result is achieved.
So this is what is meant when Okabe and others in PR says that the events of PR still exist in some form, and needed to happen. And this is why even though they won't remember it, it still had worth as a lived experience and their lives up to that point in PR in 2036 aren't simply erased and made useless when the worldline is changed by Okabe. Those events allowed Okabe to experience enough to have the desire to change the world, and they taught him a valuable lesson that he can pass on when changing the Worldlines.
So PR Okabe's apparent death, as described by Daru and Valkyrie in 2025 deceived the world. Okabe sends the 'Deceive the world' D-Rine to X-Day Protocol. Then that Okabe deceives the world again in Vega and Altair, where he has the same result from the first time(The time machine unable to examined and Mayuri and Suzuha missing) and has it happen a better way way, with the Time Machine still gone but properly gone this time, and Mayuri and Suzuhua still missing, but this time fully encased in a time machine that might be able to be rescued. This chain of events had to be continued and not altered, which is why Steins; Gate Okabe had to do the same Deceive the World trick, whereby he made it still seem to Okabe that Kurisu died in the pool of blood. With the Deceive the World trick, it is possible to hold onto all the changes and worldline alterations necessary that eventually led to the video in Steins; Gate.
These events then lead to MWC, because Okabe is turned back into Kyouma Hououin at the end of Vega and Altair. So he has both the desire to change the past, and also the knowledge of the Deceive the World Trick neccessary to create the video to send back into the past of the ending of Steins; Gate.
If MWC Okabe needed to make changes, he had to do them in Vega and Altair world line, or else the stuff from PR might just disappear and he would no longer have knowledge of the Deceive the World Trick. And he could do those changes after the events of Vega and Altair, and before MWC. If PR needed to make changes, it was likely when trying to find the Vega and Altair route, he couldn't make changes after that.
So I suppose that there is space for stuff to be changed between Vega and Altair and Milky Way Crossing. But it doesn't appear necessary to explaining anything.
That is how I understood it.
*EDIT ADDED*
This next bit I need to investigate a bit.
Since Okabe switches wordlines at the date that he sends the D-mail, it would depend when he sent the D-mail in PR to VA that would indicate when the switch of worldlines occurs.
I assume that PR Okabe sends the D-mail after the events of VA. Which would mean that PR Okabe would switch across after the events of VA, but before MWC.
I don't remember when he sent the D-Mail from PR.
So I think this is likely implied, but even if it is only VA Okabe that reaches MWC, and not PR Okabe overwriting VA Okabe, I still think everything makes sense because VA Okabe has everything needed to reach MWC.
If I am in error somewhere, or if somebody could include something I missed, please do. I am working this out in my head.
It is certainly possible there are numerous other V&A-like scenarios and PR-like scenarios, actually the V&A we see might not be linked to the PR presented in the game, but something close. Okabe doesn't really react at all in V&A after receiving the D-Rine (possibly for game play reasons). There are many world lines and many different tries that probably also achieved very similar results, we are shown only the most important decisions in the game but there are more than 5 for sure. MWC is a direct result of neither V&A, nor PR, but something close to them (or at least the PR part is the same). It acts as an epilogue after everything has been figured out, but we aren't sure of the exact path(and past) that led to it, but it's probably something very similar to V&A.
You mean the D-Rine? It was sent pretty much to the beginning of V&A. But I agree, PR would have been the first part which would lead to extensive trial and error in the V&A branch (but V&A future might also send that same D-Rine into V&A past??), but at the same time there are other differences between the branches that are hard to explain with just the D-Rine (like Kagari's situation).
There are possibly things that don't fit between MWC and VA whichi I haven't thought about yet.
You are correct it isn't the same Okabe at the end of Steins; Gate, but everything has to stay the same so that MWC Okabe can exist. If Steins; Gate Okabe caused a different death for Kurisu, then it is possible that Future Okabe would disappear as the worldline would move to another one, and all Steins; Gate Zero stuff would disappear. Then Steins; Gate Okabe would no longer get the Deceive the World Video.
Just a note. It is possible for VA Okabe to not have PR memories. when the D-RINE occurs. A D-Mail only pushes Okabe across at the same date, but the D-Mails still altered the past. I just think it is possible that we saw an Okabe that would be overwritten eventually in VA. When ever Okabe moves, he doesn't remember what lead up to the events he moved into, because he doesn't see the changes he caused. but that Okabe still lived those changes until Player Okabe moves across.
Anyway. Thanks for the point of view.
I have to think a bit more about it.
Vega and Altair end in july 2011.
So if Okabe's D-RINE at the end of PR caused the Vega and Altair worldline, and everything works the exact same way it did in Steins; Gate, then PR Okabe would experience the worldline shift in December 2011, and would switch to the VA Worldline, but still end up being present in December 2011 of the VA worldline. VA Okabe was still real and made all his own decisions up to the switch. And he was influenced by the D-RINE, likely coming up with the plan to redo Mayuri and Suzuha's disappearance again due to that D-RINE. So VA Okabe would be basically overwritten by PR Okabe when PR Okabe switches across in December 2011. This would mean that Milky Way Crossing Okabe has the memories of the one that sent the D-RINE in PR.
It is possible that isn't what happened, but I think that is the likely set of events. Though, even if PR Okabe's memories don't move across to VA, it still seems possible for VA Okabe to get to Milky Way Crossing, I believe?
I don't really debate that Milky Way Crossing can't be a different world line, or that it was intended to be a different worldline, or was changed after the game was finished to be a different worldline. I am just curious what the details within the game state, if anything.