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That "true ending" let me down hard
I finished this game feeling really unsatisfied, and I think it had a lot to do with a number of open plot points that were never fully explained and I was was waiting for a payoff that ultimately never happened. I'm still half expecting that there's some secret seventh route, or maybe hidden new content in the first game if I go play that. I mean .... that CAN'T be it.

First of all, what was the connection with Rintaro talking (or not talking) to Amadeus triggering Reading Steiner? This happens on a number of occarions, and Rintaro openly comments on it, but there's no resolution.

What about the stupid song? We chased that rabbit for a while there but nothing came of it. Where did Rintaro learn it? And why does it matter so much?

Also, Yuki and Kagari. I've seen some theories that Kagari doesn't get brainwashed in the "turn your phone off path", but that can't be because she responds to the brainwashing music, plus she still "hears God" in the scenes before that decision point. Plus when the biker attacks the lab for Kagari, a) Yuki isn't there, and b) her arm hurts. I've seen that flagged up to coincidence, but there's no such thing as coincidence in games like this. Plus, then, who was it? I've heard other theories it was Judy Reyes, but does the game actually say that?

Also, what was future Daru's plan? Suzuha pauses the video, then the whole thing is dropped.

Also, what the hell did Mayuri do after leaving with Suzuha? What was the plan there? That could have been her big character development moment!

Also, where the hell did Rintaro end up after Milky Way Crossing? Why did he even bother when the video was going to delete that timeline?

Basically what the hell was going on? I don't mind that this game feels like being some accompaniment to the true ending of the first game (not that the first game needed it), but there's so little payoff I'm left wondering if they ran out of budget or something. Lots of potential that never gets realized. I was half expecting us to track down Fubuki after one of the timeline shifts since we could work together like timeshift sidekicks, and maybe use their unique ability to retain information to do some shenanigans (kind of like how Phi and Sigma sometimes mutually shared knowledge from other histories in Virtue's Last Reward). But no, nothing happened there either.


Original Steins Gate: fantastic. Steins Gate 0: finish making it pls.
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I think it is clear that some points are left open for sequel baiting. Which I'm ok with IF they do a sequel. Anyway, lots of stuff that you ask is explained so you probably didnt follow S;G's logic at some point.

UNMARKED SPOILERS AHEAD

Some simple things: depending on who has the lead to the Time Machine race (via the memories of Kurisu = Amadeus) the worldline shifts. There are three factions, DURPA, SERN and Stratfor. In each timeline one of the three has taken over. Depending on who is hacking Amadeus \ is forcing the memories into Kagari to torture her and have her secrets revealed, the timeline changes accordingly. Pretty simple I'd say. It is exactly like when Echelon discovers Okabe's first DMail. Reading Steiner triggers in response to this. For example, talking to Amadeus gives Leskinen's faction info on where he is, what is he doing and so on. The best example would be in GS ending where answering the phone in Daru's hideout triggers the change to worldline 1.143688 because then Leskinen knows where they are.

The song is just a poetic moment for RMG ending. And, that's the whole point of the song, it is a loop, it hasnt been learnt by anyone, it is like asking who was born first, the egg or the bird? We dont know.

About Kagari \ Yuki and brainwashing: try replaying the Promised Rinascimento path and see that everytime the worldline shifts, there is a different Kagari as well. The first we see is shy and has Kurisu's memories in her = not brainwashed. The second one is more cheerful and open to Okabe, and only has amnesia = attempted brainwash, but not completed because she escaped. Being with the lab mems erases the brainwashing completely and she's a free girl by the end of RMG.
Yuki is a red herring. She's completely innocent. The woman in the biker suit was Reyes, period. The men with her are always the same, and coincide with Stratfor being in the lead - Reyes is working with Stratfor.

Future Daru's plan: we dont know. It is an open plot point, I suspect for a sequel which I welcome.

What did Mayuri do with Suzuha in the past: she told herself to slap Okabe and grow a pair because she needed to get him off the ground and wake him up. But the fuel was almost finished so the next time travel went wrong and they got stuck in the past.

Where did Rintaro go after MWC: in the past to find Mayuri and Suzuha and give them a battery to go back to the future. Why? Because of 2 factors: 1 - he is destined to die in 2025, thus he needs to get the hell out of there or else someone will kill him. And 2 - until 2036 (still 11 more years to go!) the timeline wont shift, because Suzuha (the girl behind Daru's back, not the one in the time machine with Mayuri) will need to grow up and then go back to the past to warn Okabe of WW3 - and SHE is the one we see in the original Steins;Gate, NOT the first Suzuha that came here in Zero. Got it? there are 2 Suzuhas. So by logic, Okabe wants to save his loved ones and get them back because the plan isnt complete yet.
As for he himself, he cannot go back to 2025 because otherwise he would overwrite the old Okabe from the original S;G with Reading Steiner, so he simply chills in the past (we dont know where or when tho).



糾う 28. Mai 2018 um 14:06 
Yeah, the VN is incomplete and cut off important material. Probably budget issues. The anime seems to be fixing them though.
Read the manga/Drama CD "Arc Light of the Point at Infinity" to understand the Suzuha/Mayuri thing.
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The song they trade are loop but it also exit even without they involve.
That musicbox on Chrismas day also has that song.

But it not important to the story anymore.
@loli Kurisu
Wtf are you even talking about? The VN is incomplete my ass. Everything was covered. The ending is open for interpretation. Future Okabe will be with Mayuri and past Okabe with Kurisu. Thats how i see it.

The anime is the one thats incomplete and cut out a lot of stuff. Like Fubuki having reading steiner. The whole war timeline where Okabe lived for 1 month after seeing Mayuri and his friends again and some other details...
糾う 30. Mai 2018 um 14:32 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von powrwolf2:
@loli Kurisu
Wtf are you even talking about? The VN is incomplete my ass. Everything was covered. The ending is open for interpretation. Future Okabe will be with Mayuri and past Okabe with Kurisu. Thats how i see it.

The anime is the one thats incomplete and cut out a lot of stuff. Like Fubuki having reading steiner. The whole war timeline where Okabe lived for 1 month after seeing Mayuri and his friends again and some other details...
Suzuha and Mayuri's mission was only subtly referenced near the end, the whole details of it were completely left out.
The anime is rearranging events, the time for the Fubuki's RS reveal (there hasn't been any convenient time for that anyway) and the war time will come up later, it was only subtly hinted so it is easier to explain and remember the split when it happens.

Episode 8 proves the anime is superior.
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Generally speaking I think all anime adaptations are subpar. S;G's style of animation is horrible and White Fox saves budget a lot, really A LOT, faces and clothes are indecent to look at.

With that said, the novel works as intended on its own. The anime is only trying to tie loose ends up better using other timelines not present in the novel. I'm fine with it as long as the result is the same.
"Everything was covered. The ending is open for interpretation."

These two statements are mutually exclusive. :)

"But (the song) not important to the story anymore."

Which made it all the more confusing. We spend forever on where it came from and the rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper and I kept wondering where it was going and then .... it didn't. Why the game gotta blue ball me like that.

"What did Mayuri do with Suzuha in the past: she told herself to slap Okabe and grow a pair because she needed to get him off the ground and wake him up. But the fuel was almost finished so the next time travel went wrong and they got stuck in the past."

Okay, but how and where and what happened and you know, all the things. Is that the scene where they ran out of budget? :p

"Where did Rintaro go after MWC:"

.... followed by nothing about where Rintaro went after MWC. :) I get what he was off to do, but we never see it. There's no connection to all these elements; that's the ending I was waiting for. There was no actual resolution to tie everything together.

"The woman in the biker suit was Reyes, period. "

Where does anyone in the game actually say this? I never imagined that until I saw people assuming it online. And why does everyone own the exact same biker suit?

"Yuki is a red herring. She's completely innocent."

She's also literally identical in all the timelines. I don't buy that the injured arm is a red herring; even Rintaro flags it up (and checks Moeka's arm too, which is even more of a setup). Red herrings typically imply plot twist resolutions, which "it was Reyes" would be if it ever made the point. The different timelines should really be filling in each others' information blanks (GS and VaA do this to an extent) but all it does is create conflicting information. Which is fine if it gets resolved at some point, but per my initial post, never did. I'm still tempted to believe there were some experiments about Yuki being the backup they stuffed Kagari's memories into since there's some dialogue about that too, since the plot supports that just as well. It's not like there was any reason to impersonate Yuki; all Kagari would have to do to get into the group is dye her hair, go meet Mayuri at work and say she's into cosplay. And boom; they're besties. :p So ... who the hell knows what the point of any of it was.

Cal it sequel baiting if you want, but that's basically the same as saying the game is unfinished IMHO.
糾う 30. Mai 2018 um 15:57 
I think the song gives an idea of a possible loop, maybe something that might help Okabe recreate the mission by not changing the perceived events. It's a side ending anyway.

Rintaro dies in MWC for sure, that's the point. He gives them the battery and surely Mayuri returns back alive (probably Suzuha too, but how convergence will get rid of her after that is uncertain). They get trapped on the way back after they complete their mission but there is still time until 2036 for the full plan to commence.

The bike suit is Reyes simply by process of elimination. There's no other person who can fit with the events there. Yuki is definitely a red herring.
I agree though, V&A Kagari's character with its surrounding twists is the weakest part of the VN.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von powrwolf2:
@loli Kurisu
Wtf are you even talking about? The VN is incomplete my ass. Everything was covered. The ending is open for interpretation. Future Okabe will be with Mayuri and past Okabe with Kurisu. Thats how i see it.

The anime is the one thats incomplete and cut out a lot of stuff. Like Fubuki having reading steiner. The whole war timeline where Okabe lived for 1 month after seeing Mayuri and his friends again and some other details...
Suzuha and Mayuri's mission was only subtly referenced near the end, the whole details of it were completely left out.
The anime is rearranging events, the time for the Fubuki's RS reveal (there hasn't been any convenient time for that anyway) and the war time will come up later, it was only subtly hinted so it is easier to explain and remember the split when it happens.

Episode 8 proves the anime is superior.


Im sorry i doubt the Fubuki stuff will be covered. The war time line was already covered in episode 4 in a 5 sec flashback on the roof that didnt make any sense and broke every SG rule. He was a month on that timeline but when it changed back he was still on the roof with Maho in front of him. No time has passed in the "real" timeline while he changed to the other timeline. Thats just not possible!

Episode 8 showed that the anime is just a bunch of fanservice. The kiss was totally inappropiate. It was only fanservice for Kurisu fanboys. Kurisu tells him to forget about her and then kisses him. Wtf? The anime Kurisu is making him weak while the VN Kurisu is making him stronger. She wants him to move on. I liked their conversation in the VN much better. But anyway the kiss isnt canon so its fine.
Episode 8 was pure garbage fanservice. It also makes little sense in context, as it just serves to break Okabe more, and add easy "oh my feels" stupid idiocy to have Kurisu appear in some promo poster.
The kiss scene was inevitable... but still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
糾う 1. Juni 2018 um 10:20 
The war wasn't covered... that was just a teaser for what to comes next so people aren't totally confused when the switch happens. It can also be seen as a vision Okabe got that also hints at how Okabe could assemble the pieces from his other iterations. Fubuki's RS is a key point in the story, they can't omit it and will probably bring it on in the next episode now that the Alpha switch has been passed (it makes more sense in the narrative).

Yeah, let's just focus on Kurisu's kiss and not on the numerous other moments and actual information they presented instead of the vague mess that is the VN.....
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"Rintaro dies in MWC for sure, that's the point."

Didn't get that impression either. Of course they led everyone to believe he died, but we know from one of the timelines that he continued to live. Maybe he came back or something. Who the hell knows.

"The bike suit is Reyes simply by process of elimination. There's no other person who can fit with the events there."

Completely disagree. It could still be Yuki. Maybe the timelines where we don't meet Kagari are the timelines where she simply doesn't escape. That works too, right? Again, the game can't be bothered to explain the plot, so who the hell knows. :p
"Vague mess that is the VN" I disagree. The VN present us with different worldlines. From now on everything that happens in the anime diverges from what we saw even if slightly since the divergence number is different. That is the whole point, ANYTHING can and is happening, because the worldlines happen at the same time and are parallel to each other, even if inactive.
Therefore, the VN is ONE interpretation of many. The anime is also one interpretation of many. They are not mutually exclusive, they cohexist with one another.
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"Rintaro dies in MWC for sure, that's the point."

Didn't get that impression either. Of course they led everyone to believe he died, but we know from one of the timelines that he continued to live. Maybe he came back or something. Who the hell knows.

"The bike suit is Reyes simply by process of elimination. There's no other person who can fit with the events there."

Completely disagree. It could still be Yuki. Maybe the timelines where we don't meet Kagari are the timelines where she simply doesn't escape. That works too, right? Again, the game can't be bothered to explain the plot, so who the hell knows. :p
The way they tricked the world in that 2036 alive-Okabe world line was explained, he really did effectively die there but the backup memories "revived" him. He definitely dies 70 million years into the past, the situation there is completely different and they heavily implied he will not survive past 2025.
Yuki doesn't show any signs of being anything more than Daru's gf in PR, no ties with shady organizations or any shady behavior. Reyes is linked to Kagari in that branch and all signs show it was her trying to get her back.



Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sirlion | 리리 SS++ Tier:
"Vague mess that is the VN" I disagree. The VN present us with different worldlines. From now on everything that happens in the anime diverges from what we saw even if slightly since the divergence number is different. That is the whole point, ANYTHING can and is happening, because the worldlines happen at the same time and are parallel to each other, even if inactive.
Therefore, the VN is ONE interpretation of many. The anime is also one interpretation of many. They are not mutually exclusive, they cohexist with one another.
It can't be denied that the VN omitted key material and information though, obvious budget/planning issues are present and authors know that. I will believe in my own opinion that the anime presents the actual events that should have happened in the VN without being tampered by the game play quirks, but anyway either is fine as they both present the same story and I agree both existing don't necessarily contradict it.
I personally hate the "Judy Reyes was the woman in the motorcycle outfit" theory, nowhere does Judy outside of the motorcycle suit show the athleticism Suzuha, Moeka, or Yuki/Kagari shows (Who from now on I will refer to as Yukagari, Suzuha's actual mother will remain Yuki, and the red haired "original?" Kagari for the rest of this post.). We know she's a government agent and she carries a firearm, but were shown nothing of her proficency with it, and if it were her I think the authors would have actually shown us the injury on her arm, which there wasn't, granted it's months later when we see Judy after the attack but there could be bruising that hadn't healed yet.

Edit: I also just remembered, Yukagari rarely if ever used a firearm, she seemed far more keen on melee combat if anything, the Motorcycle suit person also didn't carry a firearm as far as we know in her sole appearance where she's supposedly "Judy Reyes" who again, shown none of the athletic ability of the Motorcyle suit person, and used a gun exclusivley in the endings she appeared in.

As to why I think that it is Yukagari under the helmet, Yuki and Kagari's default pose is exactly the same, imgur.com/a/nVWx2yv
Allot of people point to this being a clue that Yuki is Kagari in the other path, but why would Yuki be Yukagari in one path and Yuki in another? No other character is completley different in seperate paths but this single character according to this theory. I'm more than willing to say Leskinen is with Stratfor in every ending because it makes sense, Judy is also with DARPA in each ending as well.

The only real point of contention is the fact that when Yuki and Kagari hide in Daru's hideout, apparently Kagari turned herself in after hearing the music vans, but even that's suspicious as all hell to me, if that hideout were anything like the one in the cosplay store how did she hear the music from the store on the inside? Though there's the wild factor of we don't know the specifics of the hideout they went to, and even if you were to accept that we'd also have to ask why Yukagari wasn't there when Maho and Rintaro arrive
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