Where is Heavy Arms!

[Ebon Wolf]

Or any of the wing suits. How could you forsake us like this Bamco?

[StoneFrog24]

For real we need those Gundams from my childhood era... Like Heavy Arms, Sandrock Deathscythe, Shenlong and we also need them in their custom armor cause they look even more badass... Also we cant forget about Tallgeese and is variant suits plus I want Vayaete, Mercurius. I just hope that they put them has soon has possible.

[Sazu]

Yeah, tbh I was hoping We could play as mobile dolls here too, like the Taurus and Virgo suits.

[Fenrah]

For some reason crossover games that aren't like, G gen tend to shortchange the ♥♥♥♥ out of Wing's suits and that goes double for endless waltz. I guess because it's not as popular in Japan as SEED or 00. So it goes.

[Ebon Wolf]

Originally posted by Steiner Scout Mech:

For some reason crossover games that aren't like, G gen tend to shortchange the ♥♥♥♥ out of Wing's suits and that goes double for endless waltz. I guess because it's not as popular in Japan as SEED or 00. So it goes.

Is SEED that popular in Japan? I've always seen it considered as one of the worst Gundam series.

[Fish]

Originally posted by Ebon Wolf:

Originally posted by Steiner Scout Mech:

For some reason crossover games that aren't like, G gen tend to shortchange the ♥♥♥♥ out of Wing's suits and that goes double for endless waltz. I guess because it's not as popular in Japan as SEED or 00. So it goes.

Is SEED that popular in Japan? I've always seen it considered as one of the worst Gundam series.

Seed is insanely popular in Japan. It is the first gundam series of the 20th century and was single handedly responsible for bringing back the popularity of the franchise while it was previously on a decline.
Also, due to its design philosophy of being the "first gundam of 20th century" it was the very first gundam show exposure to a new generation of gundam fans. For that reason it is incredibly popular there.

It is also one of my personal favourites. There are flaws with its writing, but the lore of their world setting is honestly quite interesting disregarding the issues with writing, and I love the mech designs too.

Seed Destiny, to a lesser degree but still very popular. Both Seed and Destiny are popular enough that they both received HD remasters, and the gunpla for them are consistently in very high demand.

[Army of Optimists]

Originally posted by Steiner Scout Mech:

For some reason crossover games that aren't like, G gen tend to shortchange the ♥♥♥♥ out of Wing's suits and that goes double for endless waltz. I guess because it's not as popular in Japan as SEED or 00. So it goes.

Pretty much. Wing is considered one of the weaker Gundam series and isn't that popular in Japan. It gets its following from being the series that popularized Gundam in the West among millennials. It's also one of the first Gundam series that left the UC timeline (G Gundam being the first to do so a year earlier), so it gets a bit of hate from old-school Gundam fandom for not being "real Gundam."

It's a shame because I think its main five are some of the best designs Gundam has had - outside Wing Zero which is alright but skews a bit too close to basic Gundam with some doodads. Unfortunately, being the headliner, Wing Zero is the one that always gets included from the show.

[Shirakani]

Originally posted by Fish:

Seed is insanely popular in Japan. It is the first gundam series of the 20th century and was single handedly responsible for bringing back the popularity of the franchise while it was previously on a decline.
Also, due to its design philosophy of being the "first gundam of 20th century" it was the very first gundam show exposure to a new generation of gundam fans. For that reason it is incredibly popular there.

It is also one of my personal favourites. There are flaws with its writing, but the lore of their world setting is honestly quite interesting disregarding the issues with writing, and I love the mech designs too.

Seed Destiny, to a lesser degree but still very popular. Both Seed and Destiny are popular enough that they both received HD remasters, and the gunpla for them are consistently in very high demand.

Seed/Destiny's popularity can largely be attributed to not only the fact that it brought back Gundam during a huge decline period, but because it's overall story flow borrows heavily from OG MSGundam, the only way it could have failed is if it totally butchered the story which it didn't do. Destiny is another matter but even then I still think it turned out OK in the end.

I like Seed and Destiny myself, I'm a sucker for Destiny which is basically an upgraded V2 with cooler looks and Strike Freedom which basically is a far cooler Nu-Gundam IMO. As far as Destiny goes, the mech designs are definitely the selling point, especially Strike Freedom which by the end literally was the top design once it also gained 'wings of light'. A lot of kids at the time who were new to Gundam absolutely ate that up.

Not sure why they didn't just use Wing Zero EW in this as opposed to vanilla... yes EW ver cannot transform but I don't think anyone cares about that... the EW redesign that gave it actual 'feathered' wings was one of the coolest things to me as a kid... at least until Seed came out.

It's all about the wing designs I tell you, a cool pair of wings can really add to a mech's 'cool factor'.

[Fenrah]

Originally posted by Army of Optimists:

Originally posted by Steiner Scout Mech:

For some reason crossover games that aren't like, G gen tend to shortchange the ♥♥♥♥ out of Wing's suits and that goes double for endless waltz. I guess because it's not as popular in Japan as SEED or 00. So it goes.

Pretty much. Wing is considered one of the weaker Gundam series and isn't that popular in Japan. It gets its following from being the series that popularized Gundam in the West among millennials. It's also one of the first Gundam series that left the UC timeline (G Gundam being the first to do so a year earlier), so it gets a bit of hate from old-school Gundam fandom for not being "real Gundam."

It's a shame because I think its main five are some of the best designs Gundam has had - outside Wing Zero which is alright but skews a bit too close to basic Gundam with some doodads. Unfortunately, being the headliner, Wing Zero is the one that always gets included from the show.

I think another part of it is that a lot of the Wing designs (and X to a degree) feel like left-overs from G Gundam. Wing's design in particular has a lot of residual G gundam elements like, well, the wings and the giant gem that does nothing. Doesn't help their case that they basically did Dragon Gundam three shows in a row.

If it wasn't for nostalgia in the west, I don't think Wing would have much of a fanbase, period. It's not a great show and the gundam designs are so lame and interchangeable from deathscythe and heavyarms. Nobody likes TV sandrock. Nobody.

[Fish]

Originally posted by Steiner Scout Mech:

Originally posted by Army of Optimists:

Pretty much. Wing is considered one of the weaker Gundam series and isn't that popular in Japan. It gets its following from being the series that popularized Gundam in the West among millennials. It's also one of the first Gundam series that left the UC timeline (G Gundam being the first to do so a year earlier), so it gets a bit of hate from old-school Gundam fandom for not being "real Gundam."

It's a shame because I think its main five are some of the best designs Gundam has had - outside Wing Zero which is alright but skews a bit too close to basic Gundam with some doodads. Unfortunately, being the headliner, Wing Zero is the one that always gets included from the show.

I think another part of it is that a lot of the Wing designs (and X to a degree) feel like left-overs from G Gundam. Wing's design in particular has a lot of residual G gundam elements like, well, the wings and the giant gem that does nothing. Doesn't help their case that they basically did Dragon Gundam three shows in a row.

If it wasn't for nostalgia in the west, I don't think Wing would have much of a fanbase, period. It's not a great show and the gundam designs are so lame and interchangeable from deathscythe and heavyarms. Nobody likes TV sandrock. Nobody.

This is actually very true. When they were planning for Wing, they did in fact start off using similar concepts by designing each gundam with a particular country's theme.

If you look at the very first draft of heavy arms here:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/gundam/images/7/7e/HeavyarmsEarlyDesigns.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110206105858
it looks nothing like what we got in the end. (for those who can't read Japanese, the explanation is that Heavy Arms was initially meant to represent USA, and the initial image chosen was circus clown, following G's influence. This then pivoted to focus on firearms and eventually end up with the heavy arms we now know)
Not to mention, out of the 5 gundams, they have 3 focused on close range combat so their actual role/application feels very interchangeable and severely diluted their uniqueness.

That's not to say there are no wing fans in Japan, but to a much lesser degree.

Wing succeeded in the western market due to it being the very first gundam exposure to many so there is a lot of novelty; whereas in Japan, this factor simply isn't applicable when ppl have already seen several other gundam shows prior to wing.

[Myo]

no heavy arms and deathscythe is a crime

[R3DDY]

Originally posted by Ebon Wolf :

Where is Heavy Arms!
Or any of the wing suits. How could you forsake us like this Bamco?

Possibly in the next DLC.

[someone]

The thing with all the bashing on seed is because of copy and paste... the story and all the grunt suit are 100% copy and paste from UC One Year war to ZZ. Because of that it was the closet design to original UC timeline, even got all those detailed mech spec, science, designs, MSV like UC did, thats why it was so popular in JP. Not to mention it really has some of the best music out of everything. If you put aside the stupid jesus yamato 1v100 and non-stop copy and paste scenes, the mech details and music was top notch.

[isaacike88]

the biggest flaw of this game is the lack of certain mobile suits it seems stupid to leave out even to the point where the characters piloting them are mentioned in the scene not even a portrait or nonplayable mobile suit are in the game. i wanna pilot a man rodi its right there i want orga as a playable ally hes right there as an ally but you cant unlock him outside the one mission. I would kill for a simple gundam strike or a strike rouge in the game. im hoping we get more than just the 3 dlc to fix these missing suits but honestly im not too optimistic

[redeyedraven]

Originally posted by R3DDY:

Originally posted by Ebon Wolf :

Where is Heavy Arms!
Or any of the wing suits. How could you forsake us like this Bamco?

Possibly in the next DLC.

Nope.
Line-up for the season-pass doesn't include them.

DLC 1 - Age FX, Narrative C Pack (already out)
DLC 2 - Moon Gundam, Knight Superior Dragon Gundam
DLC 3 - Xi Gundam, Penelope, Exia Repair IV

[Army of Optimists]

Originally posted by Steiner Scout Mech:

Originally posted by Army of Optimists:

Pretty much. Wing is considered one of the weaker Gundam series and isn't that popular in Japan. It gets its following from being the series that popularized Gundam in the West among millennials. It's also one of the first Gundam series that left the UC timeline (G Gundam being the first to do so a year earlier), so it gets a bit of hate from old-school Gundam fandom for not being "real Gundam."

It's a shame because I think its main five are some of the best designs Gundam has had - outside Wing Zero which is alright but skews a bit too close to basic Gundam with some doodads. Unfortunately, being the headliner, Wing Zero is the one that always gets included from the show.

I think another part of it is that a lot of the Wing designs (and X to a degree) feel like left-overs from G Gundam. Wing's design in particular has a lot of residual G gundam elements like, well, the wings and the giant gem that does nothing. Doesn't help their case that they basically did Dragon Gundam three shows in a row.

If it wasn't for nostalgia in the west, I don't think Wing would have much of a fanbase, period. It's not a great show and the gundam designs are so lame and interchangeable from deathscythe and heavyarms. Nobody likes TV sandrock. Nobody.

While EW Wing, Deathscythe, and Heavyarms are obviously the standout designs, I actually do like the Sandrock. Shotels are a cool weapon that aren't seen often. That said, I still disliked it in the show because its pilot is a total dweeb.