Help with managing idol stamina?

[cappelletti]

So for the most part I’ve been more or less doing an ok job with managing my idols’ stamina, but I wasn’t paying enough attention to it and now it seems like I’ve gotten to a really bad situation that I don’t know how I’m going to get out of… almost all of my idols have their physical stamina at under 10, 3 have gotten injured already and 2 of those went on hiatus on top of that. It really sucks because I have an election + concert planned and I’m not sure how that’ll work out now, but that aside, what is the best way to manage this? I’ve been spamming the spa but it hasn’t really helped much and it’s super expensive because I have 20 idols. Sending them on hiatus isn’t an option because the contract fines are also very expensive… last time this happened I cancelled all of my radio/internet shows and they recovered quickly but I think that was a bad call from me back then :/ Idk what to do

[Luca]

If you have 20 idols, you need 4 break rooms. That alone gives you +5 stamina per day, for free, to each of your idols. Break rooms are an absolute requirement. 1 for every 5 idols. The moment you go over 5 you get another.

Furthermore you say "spamming spas" and it isn't really clear if you mean every day or every 4 days so I'll just cover in case;
Spas only give +10 stamina when used once every 4 days. After use, spa gives only +2 for the next two days, and then only +5 for the 3rd day, returning to 10 on the 4th. So never use a spa more often than every 4 days, or you are actually getting LESS stamina per day from it. Hovering over the spa in the activities window, or in the smaller details window will show how much stamina the spa would give if used at that time.

I would also suggest checking your contract distribution. Overcommitting your idols is seriously detrimental, as not only do concerts take stamina, singles do as well, so if they are constantly low on stamina your entire program grinds to a halt. Too many contracts on an idol makes her useless for any other work. (This is especially important for your centers, as they have the highest stamina use in concerts, and thus need to be tip-top shape before you launch one. If she is burdened by a ton of contracts, it will be hard to do concerts regularly. As such I recommend keeping your contract use on your centers slightly lower than your idols overall.) IIRC, passive stamina gain is 1-2 a day, 5 for breakroom, so you have 6-7 stamina a day. That leaves you 30 stamina a week to devote to contracts to break even. That means no promotions, no performances, and if you need to regain lost stamina you need to occasionally use spas, as their stamina will be stable at that contract load. I would recommend you do not commit your idols to over 25/wk in contract stamina costs. If you need money, focus on ads and photoshoots, if you need fame or fans, focus on TV and variety shows.

Taking a look at your media is definitely something you should do. Having a bunch of media is not a good idea. Media should be used primarily for fame generation on idols that need it. Media has the highest stamina cost of any action; -30 for radio, -60 for internet, and -90 for TV, split amongst all idols involved. The income generation of it is horrendous compared to most other forms of activities. If there isn't a specific reason you have a media program running, you should cancel it. Media is not an efficient source of income, so if "for the money" is the reason, you might as well cancel it right now. Idols will make more from contracts in most situations.

[Lonesomepoet]

Do you have a doc set to auto physical health if not that would help a lot other than that just let them idle occasionally and dont use them all in all of your songs

[Fringehunter7719]

Yeah, the options are spa every 4 days (more frequently is a net loss), enough break rooms for every girl (each one covers 5) and a decent number of doctors with offices set to auto restore physical stamina, the higher their skill the more they restore.

In general because stamina management is relatively tight if you're doing concerts, tours and singles it's best to steer away from media and ongoing contracts which don't yield the same cash/fans/fame per stamina as the best activities do. If you sign an idol up for a bunch of advertising contracts then she's going to be perpetually tired no matter what.

ETA: Also make use of the option to prevent training at low stamina. Either >80 or >50 depending what your situation is usually makes for an appropriate setting. Same goes for cafe auto assignment.

[Sai Kyouji]

I have like 3 breakrooms and 8 doctors managing my twenty something idols

I have like hundred million yen anyways.

[Fringehunter7719]

3 breakrooms seems very few for over 20 idols.

[Luca]

You absolutely should not have 8 doctors for 20 idols. I tend not to even get a single doctor until I have 8-10 idols (unless a random event injury calls for one sooner and I can afford it). 1 doctor for every 8-10 idols is more than enough. You don't have enough break rooms, and are probably overworking your idols and running media that you don't need. 100m yen with 20 idols is not much money btw, so don't view that as a sign it's all going well.

[Lonesomepoet]

I have 800M yen with only 10 idols and I'm not even running concerts as often as i should be and have 0 stamina problems . 2 break rooms 1 doc and only using idols in thier respective groups reduces stamina loss a lot and like i said before i let them odle when they need to .

[Sai Kyouji]

Originally posted by Luca:

You absolutely should not have 8 doctors for 20 idols. I tend not to even get a single doctor until I have 8-10 idols (unless a random event injury calls for one sooner and I can afford it). 1 doctor for every 8-10 idols is more than enough. You don't have enough break rooms, and are probably overworking your idols and running media that you don't need. 100m yen with 20 idols is not much money btw, so don't view that as a sign it's all going well.

1 doctor cost like what, 90k a week. So like 720,000 yen a week.
Take a long time of that to affect 100,000,000. Not to mention with more stamina, I can release a concert and 4-5 singles a month. One concert is like 100-200m more alone.

Honestly, I dont give a rat arse about efficiency per dollar with doctors lol I just know IM FUQING RICH and I can afford nice things.

I honestly dont know what's your problem is, with doctors. Why do you fear hiring more doctors? it's just using money to breed more money.


Btw, 1 billion now, just 3month after year 1
https://i.imgur.com/ILWBO29.png

[Louis]

Shake-hand promotion will -20 ~ 50 stamina, all idols. The more idols you have, the more disadvantage.

[Fringehunter7719]

Originally posted by Sai Kyouji:

Originally posted by Luca:

You absolutely should not have 8 doctors for 20 idols. I tend not to even get a single doctor until I have 8-10 idols (unless a random event injury calls for one sooner and I can afford it). 1 doctor for every 8-10 idols is more than enough. You don't have enough break rooms, and are probably overworking your idols and running media that you don't need. 100m yen with 20 idols is not much money btw, so don't view that as a sign it's all going well.

1 doctor cost like what, 90k a week. So like 720,000 yen a week.

The cost issue is not the doctor, it's the rent, which scales increasingly rapidly as you use more space. Each doctor's office takes 2 space, and you get 5 space per floor. A doctor without an office does nothing.

Space on the first floor costs 0 p/w, second floor 10k p/w, third floor 10k p/w, fourth floor (assuming you build upwards after this, as building downwards costs more for some reason) 40k p/w.

After that it continues: 60k p/w, 100k p/w, 320k p/w, 520k p/w, 840k p/w, 1.36m p/w, 2.2m p/w, 5.3m p/w, 8.64m p/w and so on.

The effective marginal cost of an extra two floors' (five doctors') worth of space is always equivalent to the highest two floors of rent you've accumulated, as removing entire floors of rooms just deletes a line and downwardly adjusts your rent correspondingly.

So if you've got (say) five floors of offices, studios, stylists and break rooms, plus a theatre and cafe (which is less than I had after 1 year of play), then the actual cost of 8 doctors is 9.76m p/w rent plus 450k p/w salaries, or a little over 10m p/w.

That said, this is still a paltry amount of money and I don't necessarily agree with the other posters that it's definitely wrong, the doctors will be idle most of the time, but it will allow swift bounce back after heavy stamina events like world tours, and resumption of variety show bookings much more quickly. That said, with undercapacity of break rooms, those would always be a better replacement on a one for one basis.

Edit: Punctuation.

ETA: Floor rent might vary with game difficulty, in which case exact values will vary, but the principle will remain. These values were taken from my own game.

There's also an option (that you shouldn't take due to better alternatives) later on that can reduce rents proportionally.

[stm8022]

You could always just fulfill your idols' wishes and forget they even have something like stamina while you run them ragged for 3-4 months. In the meantime fulfill another their wish, and cash it in as soon as the old one expires. Rinse and repeat.

(idols use mental stamina when they run out of physical, but fulfilled wish prevents mental stamina drain, effectively meaning they become magical girls running purely on willpower forever)

[Sai Kyouji]

Originally posted by Fringehunter7719:

Originally posted by Sai Kyouji:

1 doctor cost like what, 90k a week. So like 720,000 yen a week.

The cost issue is not the doctor, it's the rent, which scales increasingly rapidly as you use more space. Each doctor's office takes 2 space, and you get 5 space per floor. A doctor without an office does nothing.

Space on the first floor costs 0 p/w, second floor 10k p/w, third floor 10k p/w, fourth floor (assuming you build upwards after this, as building downwards costs more for some reason) 40k p/w.

After that it continues: 60k p/w, 100k p/w, 320k p/w, 520k p/w, 840k p/w, 1.36m p/w, 2.2m p/w, 5.3m p/w, 8.64m p/w and so on.

The effective marginal cost of an extra two floors' (five doctors') worth of space is always equivalent to the highest two floors of rent you've accumulated, as removing entire floors of rooms just deletes a line and downwardly adjusts your rent correspondingly.

So if you've got (say) five floors of offices, studios, stylists and break rooms, plus a theatre and cafe (which is less than I had after 1 year of play), then the actual cost of 8 doctors is 9.76m p/w rent plus 450k p/w salaries, or a little over 10m p/w.

That said, this is still a paltry amount of money and I don't necessarily agree with the other posters that it's definitely wrong, the doctors will be idle most of the time, but it will allow swift bounce back after heavy stamina events like world tours, and resumption of variety show bookings much more quickly. That said, with undercapacity of break rooms, those would always be a better replacement on a one for one basis.

Edit: Punctuation.

ETA: Floor rent might vary with game difficulty, in which case exact values will vary, but the principle will remain. These values were taken from my own game.

There's also an option (that you shouldn't take due to better alternatives) later on that can reduce rents proportionally.

Doctor is seldom idle because I release like 5 singles, each one using all idols.
The first one always sell for 50-500 thousand copies, netting near 100mil profit. the 2-4 left usually net another 100mil in total. (not even 1.5 half year into the game yet)
Usually end up with all idols at near 0 stamina and 60 mental health (and 100-150% satisfaction salary)

I told ya, you gotta spend money to make more money. Don't be like those arsehole billionaires irl that are stingy with their employees.
10mil rent and salary and another 10mil for idols? blah pocket change...

I have also tried Unfair and it was still greatly profitable, abeit a bit stupid because the rent in unfair is like 2-3 times the building cost

[Fringehunter7719]

Originally posted by Sai Kyouji:

I told ya, you gotta spend money to make more money. Don't be like those arsehole billionaires irl that are stingy with their employees.

Sure you "told me", on the other hand I had pushing an order of magnitude more money than your screenshot showed in that same month.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2564657267
So I doubt there's much to learn about money making here, particularly as that wasn't even an attempt to make a lot of cash.

Blitzing your idols down to low physical stamina to release 5 singles in a day once per month is all well and good, but you don't need 8 doctors to do it. It only takes just over a week for them to recover all their physical stamina from a standard cycle of spa every fourth day, break room and natural recovery anyway.

But all that is completely beside the point that estimating the cost of 8 doctors as being seven hundred thousand a week is going to be unrecognisably inaccurate.

[Fringehunter7719]

Originally posted by stm8022:

You could always just fulfill your idols' wishes and forget they even have something like stamina while you run them ragged for 3-4 months. In the meantime fulfill another their wish, and cash it in as soon as the old one expires. Rinse and repeat.

(idols use mental stamina when they run out of physical, but fulfilled wish prevents mental stamina drain, effectively meaning they become magical girls running purely on willpower forever)

The downside of this is it doesn't make them immune to injuries which start triggering for idols who take actions when on low physical stamina.