Please Use Matchmaking

[Scooby]

Look, I don't care if it's just level based or whatever. Please do something. I'm level 7. Literally just started playing. I'm out here getting destroyed by people with levels in the 100's. If the game isn't inviting to new players, it won't succeed.

[No, I'm not, You are!]

There is nothing high account level players can do more than you. They probably have a few more unlocks over you, but that is not a match winning decider. I've had plenty matches where I extracted and thus won, with 0 kills. Just learn the game mechanics and you will be fine.

Also right now some agents are very imbalanced and are about to get nerfed in the upcoming update, this month. I advice you to stick to squire for now as he is extremely newbie friendly. And I personally main him right now, cause he is so powerful.

The reason that there is no matchmaking is cause there are not enough players. I can confirm that as I keep seeing the same names every match. So matchmaking would only add ridiculously long Queues.

[Scooby]

Originally posted by Old Timer:

There is nothing high account level players can do more than you. They probably have a few more unlocks over you, but that is not a match winning decider. I've had plenty matches where I extracted and thus won, with 0 kills. Just learn the game mechanics and you will be fine.

Also right now some agents are very imbalanced and are about to get nerfed in the upcoming update, this month. I advice you to stick to squire for now as he is extremely newbie friendly. And I personally main him right now, cause he is so powerful.

The reason that there is no matchmaking is cause there are not enough players. I can confirm that as I keep seeing the same names every match. So matchmaking would only add ridiculously long Queues.

Thanks for the reply. I actually do know better, regarding the matchmaking, and how difficult it is to do such a thing with a small playerbase. I've experienced that before. Call it frustration on my end, I guess.

I get what you're saying, but I'm not really even speaking of mechanics. You are right, the mechanics are the mechanics, and there's nothing they can do that I can't (minus some gadgets, etc.) With that said, there is still something to be said for a person like me appearing in the same lobby as someone with tons of hours and a level of over 100. You can't argue that they don't have a tactical advantage... "the do's and don't's" if you will. Most importantly, they are very familiar with the maps. They know exactly where they're going. I don't. When it's time to infiltrate the vault/capital/etc., they can get directly there. I find myself, usually, just stumbling upon it while running around like a chicken with my head cut off. At that time, it's typically too late. I run into a lot of dead ends, whereas they have perfect pathing. It's things like this, more so than mechanics, that separate new players from players with time in the game. I may not win a match against a lobby of newbies at any given time, but at least I'd know we're all kinda running around clueless and not dying 2 minutes into a match.

[No, I'm not, You are!]

Originally posted by xScoobySnax | TTV:

Originally posted by Old Timer:

There is nothing high account level players can do more than you. They probably have a few more unlocks over you, but that is not a match winning decider. I've had plenty matches where I extracted and thus won, with 0 kills. Just learn the game mechanics and you will be fine.

Also right now some agents are very imbalanced and are about to get nerfed in the upcoming update, this month. I advice you to stick to squire for now as he is extremely newbie friendly. And I personally main him right now, cause he is so powerful.

The reason that there is no matchmaking is cause there are not enough players. I can confirm that as I keep seeing the same names every match. So matchmaking would only add ridiculously long Queues.

Thanks for the reply. I actually do know better, regarding the matchmaking, and how difficult it is to do such a thing with a small playerbase. I've experienced that before. Call it frustration on my end, I guess.

I get what you're saying, but I'm not really even speaking of mechanics. You are right, the mechanics are the mechanics, and there's nothing they can do that I can't (minus some gadgets, etc.) With that said, there is still something to be said for a person like me appearing in the same lobby as someone with tons of hours and a level of over 100. You can't argue that they don't have a tactical advantage... "the do's and don't's" if you will. Most importantly, they are very familiar with the maps. They know exactly where they're going. I don't. When it's time to infiltrate the vault/capital/etc., they can get directly there. I find myself, usually, just stumbling upon it while running around like a chicken with my head cut off. At that time, it's typically too late. I run into a lot of dead ends, whereas they have perfect pathing. It's things like this, more so than mechanics, that separate new players from players with time in the game. I may not win a match against a lobby of newbies at any given time, but at least I'd know we're all kinda running around clueless and not dying 2 minutes into a match.

I think I was about account level 50 when I started playing like, what you believe only level 100-200s do :) From the moment you understand the game and know the maps and know what all agents can do, you can literally just rush all upgrades and cards. The vast majority of ppl are very bad at this game and might as well literally be bots :D

So trust me when I say, you just gota get over that hoop that is the learning curve.

Here are some quick tips/mistakes I see a ton of ppl do:

- Going in and out of mimic makes noise and is not as stealthy as you think
- NPCs dont jump
- NPCs dont correct their pathing with little strafe taps :)
- NPC guards and janitors don't usually stand in front of their green/blue door, that is almost certainly someone without a keycard, hacking the door.
- You can revive dead bodies as a guard, dont be the only person in a room with 5 bodies. Dead give away.
- NPCs don't go into purple rooms on their own, unless someone opened the door for them. So 99% of the time someone coming out of purple rooms = player
- Scientists don't go outside the vault, change your disguise before you leave the vault ;)
- The briefcase ping can so easily be used against ppl by double backing. Don't let yourself get caught in the back ;)
- opening safes makes noise
- Going for kills will often get you 3rd partied. Don't do it unless you got an escape plan. You don't need kills to win.
- ...
- The reason ppl rush a lot lately, is cause they know having the briefcase is a massive advantage. If you didn't know yet, it does wallhack :)

These are just the things that instantly come to mind and I see every single match

Here is how I play squire now... I bet most ppl would report me cause they don't know how to use his E3 :) Honestly it practically does feel like cheating. I have a few more uploaded on that channel, so you can see how easy it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9Ar1NBe2Q

[thenetimp]

It's not just about unlocked abilities, I'm level 110, and I am frequently getting matched with level <10 players who haven't figured out the mechanics yet, there should be a lobby for players less than say level 20 to learn the game mechanics before they are sent into play against more experienced players.

[Can...you...help]

Originally posted by Old Timer:

There is nothing high account level players can do more than you. They probably have a few more unlocks over you, but that is not a match winning decider. I've had plenty matches where I extracted and thus won, with 0 kills. Just learn the game mechanics and you will be fine.

Also right now some agents are very imbalanced and are about to get nerfed in the upcoming update, this month. I advice you to stick to squire for now as he is extremely newbie friendly. And I personally main him right now, cause he is so powerful.

The reason that there is no matchmaking is cause there are not enough players. I can confirm that as I keep seeing the same names every match. So matchmaking would only add ridiculously long Queues.

meanwhile squire will still be the best agent in the game by a mile

[thenetimp]

I don't think he is really. Chavelere was my first agent that I played until level 10, she was pretty OP if you got the jump on people in Solo matches.

[smokratez]

Originally posted by thenetimp:

It's not just about unlocked abilities, I'm level 110, and I am frequently getting matched with level <10 players who haven't figured out the mechanics yet, there should be a lobby for players less than say level 20 to learn the game mechanics before they are sent into play against more experienced players.

that's all that would be needed. just a little grace period so new players can get their feet wet, without having their head shot off

[No, I'm not, You are!]

Originally posted by smokratez:

Originally posted by thenetimp:

It's not just about unlocked abilities, I'm level 110, and I am frequently getting matched with level <10 players who haven't figured out the mechanics yet, there should be a lobby for players less than say level 20 to learn the game mechanics before they are sent into play against more experienced players.

that's all that would be needed. just a little grace period so new players can get their feet wet, without having their head shot off

How else will you learn from your mistakes if nobody shows you are making mistakes?

[thenetimp]

by making mistakes against other newbies, they learn what to do and not to do.

[smokratez]

Originally posted by Old Timer:

Originally posted by smokratez:

that's all that would be needed. just a little grace period so new players can get their feet wet, without having their head shot off

How else will you learn from your mistakes if nobody shows you are making mistakes?

We keep the best players away from the new ones, so they can learn the game at their own pace and don't quit the game. You want this game to be healthy right?

[No, I'm not, You are!]

Originally posted by thenetimp:

by making mistakes against other newbies, they learn what to do and not to do.

Newbies just tend to be trigger happy, run at the first sound of gunfire and therefor will not teach you anything ;) I went through that phase, I learned quickly to just rush my upgrades/cards and let everyone else kill each other :)

[thenetimp]

i didn't when I was a noob, I walked around tried to play the long game. I see more advanced players running straight into the gun fights.

[No, I'm not, You are!]

Proof is in the majority of my matches only lasting anywhere between 8 to 12 minutes. By the time I steal the briefcase there are max 1-2-3 players left on the board. more than half the lobby wipe themselves out early.

[thenetimp]

Originally posted by Old Timer:

Proof is in the majority of my matches only lasting anywhere between 8 to 12 minutes. By the time I steal the briefcase there are max 1-2-3 players left on the board. more than half the lobby wipe themselves out early.

I'm playing against teams, games rarely last longer than 4-5 minutes

[Kal]

OP has a point that is not sitting well with people who have significant amounts of time in this game. Sure, low levels can do anything high levels can, but they won't have nearly the same amount of game knowledge. Playing against players who steamroll you because they know NPC movements vs PC movements, and which guns, passives and expertise are currently top of the FPS meta, is not a good way to learn the game.

It's perfectly normal for games to protect lower level players and match them against other lower level players. A fix for the lengthy queue times that'll create is to expand after 1/3/5 minutes until your search parameters fill up a lobby.

As of right now, queues are basically instant, and 75% of the people in the lobby aren't even going to be a challenge for the veteran.