It's a shooter game, not a spy game

[Stegosaurus TTV]

The stealth portion of the game is overshadowed by its' terrible gun-play. The stealth mechanics and objectives don't really matter since the end of the match is just a cat and mouse game, who shoots first. Not only that, but the classes are all severely imbalanced that there is virtually no reason to not to use the Sniper class.

TF2 has better spy mechanics, and it's not even advertised as a "spy game".

[Tyrant (My Vision is Augmented)]

The sniper class? With Ace's default weapon you can land a charged up head shot and not kill another player. She is severely underpowered in team mode, and will loose a 1-1 almost every time to Cavaliere, and the two scoundral classes. Anyone who closes the gap with her or has deception abilities to escape quickly will put her at a huge disadvantage.

Also, most end-matches do end in shoot outs, but I have won a couple that were full stealth - no kills. The stealth mechanics are what allows you get superior equipment, keep a high ammo count, get good positioning (or get the case first) and thus be better equipped to win the end shoot-out.

[L9 dorothea]

if you could just win without ever interacting with an enemy you would only be playing half the game completely ignoring the hero shooter part

[HealthBar]

On one hand, I like the heavy emphasis on shooter aspects since I'm an avid fan of the genre. But the other hand, I could see why some people are disappointed by it, since they would prefer a more methodical and strategic approach, rather than relying on reflexes and mechanical skills.

I participated on The Finals Playtest, and despite lacking the social deduction and disguise mechanics it provides more ways to win a game than just shooting. Each player can only bring 1 gun, but instead gets access to 3 gadgets that can be used for lethal kills, terrain destruction or objective fortification. The weapon TTK is high in The Finals, so the reliance on gadgets and thus emergent gameplay are more present as well. It gave me an immersive sim experience despite being a competitive shooter, hence why I remember the gameplay so vividly.

Deceive inc, on the other hand, is surprisingly less dependent on knowledge-based emergent gameplay and instead more plays out like a shooter. Gadgets and abilities are there, and map knowledge does help save time re-routing and flanking, but ultimately guns are what bring victories.
I think their design choices are deliberate so it can appeal to the typical shooter audience while still having its own color. If the game is heavily reliant on mechanics then it would often create a situation where a new player is absolutely helpless against experienced players knowing where to put insta-kill traps and how to completely block certain passage, causing frustration as a result.

Heavy firefight is not what I initially expected from this game so I do have small complaints from time to time, but I mostly enjoy the game regardless.

[Ms O'Horné]

I don't think you have been in high level games yet. I have been deceived in the so called "cat and mouse game" very hard before. Some people know how to abuse the ping system really well and make you uncover yourself. Deceiving really is primary as far as I can tell. You do have to be a good shot when you need it tho ;)

[Miciso]

try playing against a good team. and u will complain how nonsense the stealth is... one match me and my friends struggled so hard finding the spies. we all decided to play cavelliere ace and yumi. only to focus on tracking people. which made matches way easier.

[King Ballsmear]

Nah. stealth is useless in the team mode, high level players just blast everyone in a 5 mile radius.

[Ms O'Horné]

Originally posted by baby:

Nah. stealth is useless in the team mode, high level players just blast everyone in a 5 mile radius.

If that is true, I am happy there is a solo mode. No friends = fun :)

[FrontlinerDelta]

In my experience, solo mode is pretty good at maintaining a stealth feel since there's so much potential to be third and fourth partied. Teams is definitely much more of a straight shooter. Was fortunate enough to get a game the other night with almost only duos and it was also much better at maintaining the stealth.

Just like Hunt Showdown, trios warps the game dynamic way too much and turns it from a tactical/stealth experience into a giant TDM on a big map.

[Sanguine]

hit your shots

[Joy Joy Lucky]

The only agent I feel that really puts down the combat is Caval. She needs a damage nerf but besides that I think the agents are well balanced each with their pros and cons.

[L9 dorothea]

Originally posted by Old Timer:

Originally posted by baby:

Nah. stealth is useless in the team mode, high level players just blast everyone in a 5 mile radius.

If that is true, I am happy there is a solo mode. No friends = fun :)

its so fun though sitting with your friends on vc and seeing an enemy team walking around and you know they are players but they also know you are players and you stare at eachother for a minute while all 6 of you are very aware

[VRgamer]

Originally posted by Arcus The Cloud:

The stealth portion of the game is overshadowed by its' terrible gun-play. The stealth mechanics and objectives don't really matter since the end of the match is just a cat and mouse game, who shoots first. Not only that, but the classes are all severely imbalanced that there is virtually no reason to not to use the Sniper class.

TF2 has better spy mechanics, and it's not even advertised as a "spy game".

Could you stop lying about the Sniper class? You have two other threads on this already and you even showcased the user name "AceSucks" for a time. We get that you hate her. She is one of, if not the weakest character in the game with no useful tracking or escape abilities. If you miss a shot with her, you are dead. Most matches I play nobody even picks her. She needs serious ability improvements.