Sanity is a problem

[Dawija]

So I've tried the game on every difficulty and the sanity ends up killing me every single time. I've had a few perfect base areas and setups but I can't ever manage to get my feet off the ground before my sanity ♥♥♥♥♥ me up. And it's almost always Day 1 too...like wtf....am i supposed to play to lose? Because it sure seems broken to me.

[Wintervoid]

When I started the game, first thing I did was head down hill and look for water. Found water, but no way to purify it and eventually died. Died many more times to snakes, lack of food and other things. Never once to Sanity. Eventually I found camps, and figured the way to survive was beeline to camps.

Now, it has gotten pretty easy, although when I went up to hard, it seemed that I get worms more often. I also don't rush camps anymore, since it is more fun to 'rough it'. Basically, get some coconuts for water. Build a shelter with a leaf bed, make a spear, kill a fish, get a bandage plant. All set. After that, it is easy street. Plenty of food and water, and if near a stream with fish, that takes care of meat. Find the log bed or bamboo medium before the second day, and even worm issues start to go away.

[Capuzzi09]

The most important thing in this game is attention. It's not an ego shooter, there is no need to rush from one point to another in the shortest possible time.
Move slow, watch your surrounding very attentively, look out for snakes, spiders, or (if you're in a cave) scorpions, because getting poisoned is the worst thing for you to happen, especially during the first few days in the game.
Listen to your surrounding. If you hear the sound of flies nearby, move towards its direction. You'll find a corpse, in which you can find at least one bone and some maggots. Pick it up both. You can craft bone needles from the bone, which will be useful for getting rid of worms under your skin. Try to find a hammock for sleeping. You'll notice, if you sleep close to the ground, you'll have worms the next morning. Sleeping in a higher position helps to avoid worms.
Don't try to do anything unimportant, if you got any type of parasites, if you're poisoned, if anything is wrong with your body. If there is a problem which might cause you any harm, solve it as soon as possible. Keep it slow, try to care about the base topics first and you'll find out, how to survive the first few days.
I played the game for quite a bunch of hours since now, I restarted it a couple of times and I have to agree, that it's quite a challenge, if you don't know how to cure poisoning, wounds, fever and stuff. But experience comes with time, that is what this game's about. If you give it a chance and if you give yourself the chance to become familiar with the base mechanics you'll find out, that it's not that hard to survive. Give it a shot. :)

[Janky Nose Hair Guy]

I think what gets most people is not knowing how sanity and the inspection works. I learned everything by trial and error. I had an edge on the average player when it came to the worms. just from reading about parasitic worms years ago. Some worms need to removed by tying them to a stick and slowly, pulling them out (glad these are not in the game, pulling out a meter long worm from your leg over the course of a few days is crazy). Basically winding them onto the stick.

Gives me the creeps just thinking about it.
Just wait until they include diseases. Tropical parasites and diseases are all kind of wrong and evil.

Anywho, back to how I figured it out:
Knife didn't work.
I need something sharp. Tried all the weapons. Nope.
What else is pointy? By accident I made a bone needle once while trying to make a bone knife.
Pointy! What else is pointy? Fish bones. Ok, found out those remove the worms...
Then I died from an infection.
Oh I should wrap the wounde. Durrr. Wrap wound before it gets infected.
Took me forever to figure out that duh you can add herbs to bandages.

For me dying in a game is amusing. Save. Experiment. Die. Die. Oops. Die. Opps. Die. Oops. Die. I think that comes from spam jumping loopholes in 3d terrain decades ago.... ;)

However that's not for everone. Yeah play balance and an expanded tutorial is in order.

[Tryst49]

Nguyên văn bởi Falcon:

Interestingly I have died several times to injuries (mostly in challenges), but never had anu issue with sanity.
I get it that someone can miss that he needs something like bone needle to kill the worm, but otherwise I do not see issue. One may probably get insane from ignoring leeches for a long time, but there is hint on them once you firts encounter them...

That being said, early access is exactly the place to find out issues people have with the game to solve it one way or another before the full release.

At the very least, there should be choices. You have a sharp rock that you can use as a knife, use it to cut the worm out but you have to bandage after. If you use the needle, you don't have to bandage. That would make it more entertaining and allow, an alternative way of dealing with a threat. A game is supposed to be entertaining and not at all like real life or we may as well go to the Amazon and do it for real. I understand trying to make it realistic rather than an arcade game but even in real life, there are alternatives.

As far as realism goes, leeches are far too frequent and you only really get them from swamps since they don't live in trees and bushes because they prefer wet environments. The worm is a complete fantasy creature and it wouldn't drive you insane anyway, neither would leeches, at most they might annoy you a bit.

This guy has been here before, that much is evident from the story at the start. Why doesn't he recognise the plants he saw last time? Why would leeches drive him insane since he's experienced them before, especially since he's an ornithologist? How would he not know what the native tribemen use to deter the worm or leeches, herbs or certain crafted pastes etc?
He's been there before, did he not learn ANYTHING from his last trip?

[Totta]

You guys having the worm problem and can't find a needle. Just make a spear, kill a peccary or capybara (litterally everywhere) and harvest it. You get bone and meat. Then harvest the bone to get bone needle and use that for worms. Then bandage the wound up. If you are having trouble getting Molineria leaves there is 4 next to the evelator shaft. Also never go to sleep with leeches and worm on you. They will decrease you sanity as you sleep. And never ever Ever run unless you really have too. Take everything slow. This isn't a race and there is no timelimit. Slow your pace and you will see a lot of resource you will otherwise miss.

[frillen]

Nguyên văn bởi tryst49:

Nguyên văn bởi Falcon:

Interestingly I have died several times to injuries (mostly in challenges), but never had anu issue with sanity.
I get it that someone can miss that he needs something like bone needle to kill the worm, but otherwise I do not see issue. One may probably get insane from ignoring leeches for a long time, but there is hint on them once you firts encounter them...

That being said, early access is exactly the place to find out issues people have with the game to solve it one way or another before the full release.

At the very least, there should be choices. You have a sharp rock that you can use as a knife, use it to cut the worm out but you have to bandage after. If you use the needle, you don't have to bandage. That would make it more entertaining and allow, an alternative way of dealing with a threat. A game is supposed to be entertaining and not at all like real life or we may as well go to the Amazon and do it for real. I understand trying to make it realistic rather than an arcade game but even in real life, there are alternatives.

As far as realism goes, leeches are far too frequent and you only really get them from swamps since they don't live in trees and bushes because they prefer wet environments. The worm is a complete fantasy creature and it wouldn't drive you insane anyway, neither would leeches, at most they might annoy you a bit.

This guy has been here before, that much is evident from the story at the start. Why doesn't he recognise the plants he saw last time? Why would leeches drive him insane since he's experienced them before, especially since he's an ornithologist? How would he not know what the native tribemen use to deter the worm or leeches, herbs or certain crafted pastes etc?
He's been there before, did he not learn ANYTHING from his last trip?

First you say that the game should be entertaining and not at all like real life, then a little later you say that it wouldn't be realistic to get leeches around bushes and trees... It seems like you use realism when it benefits you!

Using a crude tool like a stone knife that you have used to cut all sorts of things with to dig out a worm from your body would be messy and most likely end up with infections in a very short time, besides there are 2 alternatives to dig out a worm, needles created from bones which you can get from bigger animals or carcasses that are almost everywhere + fish bones that you get plenty of from any fish ;)

This is sandbox survival, we are not playing the storymode, so this guy, while being identical to the character from the tutorial, is no particular guy, it's just a generic protagonist you are playing with :)

However I do agree with some saying that the Sanity system feels unrealistic...
Ghost natives shouldn't be able to hurt you, instead you should be able to see a lot more things that aren't there like, snakes, jaguars, fruits, herbs, leeches, worms etc. making you not know what is real or not, imagine digging out a worm only to find out that there was no worm, but now you have a nice hole in your body that you need to take care of :)

[Dawija]

Lol all I asked was for sanity to deplete less rapidly on easy mode hahah....glad this turned into a discussion though. Probably useful for the devs

[Tinetic]

Surprisingly i never had any trouble with sanity whatsoever. I had trouble finding enough carbs. Basically you need a bit of luck, move around carefully and always be prepared. It seems to be dependant on where you are though. So far the very south is super safe in my eyes. Oh and remove worms, leeches etc right away. It is better to walk around with an untreated wound for a few minutes than having your sanity reduced to nothing xD

[MycroftCanadaNS]

Nguyên văn bởi Dawija:

So I've tried the game on every difficulty and the sanity ends up killing me every single time. I've had a few perfect base areas and setups but I can't ever manage to get my feet off the ground before my sanity ♥♥♥♥s me up. And it's almost always Day 1 too...like wtf....am i supposed to play to lose? Because it sure seems broken to me.

I understand your concern but the point of this game is to almost be as real as possible. If the dev gives in to you, and hands everything too you then what is the point in playing the game?

What would end up happening is that the dev has just made it like every other game out there, and it will become boring, and useless.

Learn to play the game, and work out a schedule, and routine otherwise you will fail.

The whole fun factor of this game is to learn, and live.

@Dev: Please do not allow people have you make this survival game like everything else out there. Today's gamers want everything handed too them on a silver platter just so they can feel good about themselves, and if a game challenges them they cry about it.

DO NOT give in devs, and please keep to your original idea otherwise you will just turn this game into another game we all have played before.

The weaker gamers out there tried to get the dev's for The Long Dark to give in but the dev stuck to their original plan.

Yes things need to be tweaked, and maybe the sanity is a bit out of balance but that will take time to fix.

[Stressica]

i agree, keep the difficulty high.

[Boatabike]

Sanity has not been an issue unless i eat to many tribe folk.
As for make it easy, it is pretty damn easy all round, instead of making it easier, how about making players less lazy to actually take the time to learn something.

The game is well thought out to give a challenge, and has interesting problems to be solved. Why does every game have those that cannot do the simplist task begging to have a perfectly well thought out system nerfed into nursery level intellect? Seriously if you are unable to work out a simple solution to a simple problem then either go back to school or start trying at the one you are at. If that is to hard for you, watch a you tube vid, most people should at least be able to manage that.... or not?

(Not aimed at anyone in particular, just a general feeling of gamers today wanting spoon feeding)

[Frederf]

The only problem I have with sanity is that high sanity has no effects while moderate sanity has tons of effects. It's a very on-off system without a gradual transition. I would hope that with 80-90% sanity you might hear a weird whisper or sound maybe once per hour but you hear nothing. Then when you're at 50% of so it's constant every few seconds.