Mud brick...Adobe/stucco....destroyed in seconds by wood tools?

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I get the game is supposed to challenge me. But mud brick in the method we're making it, realistically, is a form of low grade concrete (Potash + River Clay/Silt = A type of concrete), or stucco (Binders+aggregates+ water applied wet), formed into bricks and slathered onto a wooden frame, once dry this stuff should be so tough a wooden tool is not gonna bother it much. Watching natives rip through it like rice paper is immersion harming, its also a little difficult to deal with when resources like wood, don't seem to be respawning. Is wood supposed to respawn at all? Because if it does not, the effort to keep me on my toes just makes a very expensive structure pretty much useless. Metal picks should be the only things capable of hurting mud brick once dry imho. Certainly not a natiives horn and wood weapons. IMHO of course.

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This is just mud dryed, is not cooked, i suggest to introduce something like concrete by using carbonatation of the shells but seem no one understand about what i'm speaking

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Even without baking, dried potash + riversilt/clay is the strength of a brick. That's the whole reason to put in the potash, the moment you do you've created a type of concrete (very low grade in fact this is a type of lime mortar) as doing so is the same thing as making a stucco building (as in thats quite literally what stucco is). Admittedly its not as strong as true baking of bricks...but seconds of stabbing with wood tools should not be bothering the structure like it does in the game once its dry. Sand + Clay + Lime = Concrete.

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My point remains there are buildings...centuries old, made with these methods that have withstood the passing of centuries (Casa Grande in Arizona for example), there are ruins in europe thousands of years old made from this stuff (admittedly most had baked bricks as you suggested, most babylonian ruins are made from this stuff), and native americans have built in this way since time immemorial, in central america and mexico, this method of building is very commonplace..when the earthquake of 86' hit, you know what buildings collapsed? The ones using traditional building methods, yanno what ones weathered it better? The ones made from american lathe/clay building techniques (which is essentially what we're building here). A mud brick house should be, how should I put it? A more...permanent structure, and for the effort put in to building it, watching it be wrecked that quick breaks my brain is all.

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We said the same things i think, but in game we don't have lime, have only mud and ash. Lime can be obtained by cooking shells at 1000° but need hours, in game we already have a furnace for smelting iron and we can find shell at snake island.
Anyway if we consider a realistic situation the Natives could just burn the hut, will be the faster and easy thing.

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Aye admittedly you're not gonna create high grade quality concrete using primitive methods (IE the ones we have now for making mud houses). But a potash (campfire ash) replacement for lime is quite useful for making durable structures that at the very least should take time to break down.

I agree with you, if we got furnaces that can somehow turn iron to slag (honestly if I was trying to survive I woulda' gone with copper tools as its easier to melt and easier to get out of common rocks), but SINCE we have the means to turn iron into slag, -real- lime should be easy to get, and thus proper modern concrete.

But even without these things a potash adobe structure should still withstand natives with wood tools....BURNING the house down though would make sense, I could see that...them raiding the hut and burning the supports out.

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Originally posted by Raxamon:

Aye admittedly you're not gonna create high grade quality concrete using primitive methods (IE the ones we have now for making mud houses). But a potash (campfire ash) replacement for lime is quite useful for making durable structures that at the very least should take time to break down.

I agree with you, if we got furnaces that can somehow turn iron to slag (honestly if I was trying to survive I woulda' gone with copper tools as its easier to melt and easier to get out of common rocks), but SINCE we have the means to turn iron into slag, -real- lime should be easy to get, and thus proper modern concrete.

But even without these things a potash adobe structure should still withstand natives with wood tools....BURNING the house down though would make sense, I could see that...them raiding the hut and burning the supports out.

Yes i totally agree with everything you said