"M Disc Shrine" room needs a rework.

[Aldrenean]

I was loving this game up until I encountered the "M Disc Shrine" in the dog area. I assumed that "M." in this context referred to an M. Flame, like the G. Flame etc. There is no world on which I would have remembered that 5 days ago I picked up an object called the "Mock Disk". Even if I did, I don't think that would have changed my assumption that there would be another disc to find in the dog region which needed to go in that slot.

This type of logical leap, which requires basically perfect recall of every detail of your playthrough so far (because player's aren't going to recognize the importance of the mock disk the first time they use it), is the type of thing I would tolerate for a bonus secret of some sort. Gating the main game's progression behind figuring this out is utterly bonkers, and I beg the dev to rework how this is signposted, because right now I can't imagine anyone is figuring this out organically, unless they're playing the whole game in one sitting.

[Ninethousand]

The thread is about the puzzle, not the challenge.
Tricking the cat and doing the challenge before it even gets there is hilarious, when you watch your streamer of choice die there 20 times :P

[❍peth]

LOL @ the vehemence regarding this fun puzzle. I loved it and personally thought it was a loving nod to Mwyah from Environmental Station Alpha

[Wasserstern]

I thought this was a wonderful puzzle and it has enough hints to solve it. M. Disc might be a bit confusing at first. But you can get a glimpse of the flame room which has multiple statues of the dog (cat?) ghost and that should be a obvious hint.

Aside from making that link to the mockup disc, it also requires a little bit of planning and memorizing of the route. Which forces you to familiarize with the world around you more. It increases a players focus on his surroundings and is also very exciting (if a little stressful) and super rewarding if you solve it.

Great puzzle design imo.

[Wasserstern]

Not to bash you or anything. But you mention playing La-Mulana 1 and 2. Loved those games very much.
But you cant tell me that the logical leap to use the M.Disc or to think about the ghost after seeing the statues in the flame room are crazier than anything in those two games. I mean the ghost shrine isnt even far away.

Some of La-Mulanas puzzles were ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy in comparison to this.

[Ninethousand]

What planning are you talking about?
The solution is "play flute", "wait minute", "go to shrine without annoying ghost"
If you are "planning", you are doing it wrong. :P

[Dinosaurs_Are_Friends]

引用自 Aldrenean：

The reading comprehension in many of these replies is pretty lacking.

No, everyone understood you perfectly. The issue that they're having is that it was completely and utterly obvious to them, to the point it was not actually a puzzle at all, and therefore they are baffled that this thread exists.

Genuinely shocked that there was even one person who agreed with you, honestly, let alone several.

[LelandFischer]

I agree that the abbreviation "M. Disk" was a mistake. It should have spelled it out entirely, saying "Mock Disk" instead.

[LelandFischer]

In fact, none of the "M/G/B" abbreviations in the game really needed to be there. It doesn't add to the game in any way, and clearly it upset at least one person. It would be better off if the abbreviations were removed and just given their full names.

[Dinosaurs_Are_Friends]

引用自 LelandFischer：

In fact, none of the "M/G/B" abbreviations in the game really needed to be there. It doesn't add to the game in any way, and clearly it upset at least one person. It would be better off if the abbreviations were removed and just given their full names.

I suppose I can't disagree with this, given how incredibly obvious they seem to be; there's no real puzzle value there anyway, so why not just idiot-proof it by calling it the "Mock Disc Shrine" for folks like OP.

Granted, it was very reasonable for the dev to expect no one to be confused by this. Now that we have a counterexample, perhaps he can patch it.

[Ackranome]

Took me a while to connect the "shrine" with the fake disc that I had already used up - I didn't realize I could take the fake one back - again.

Developer hates dogs.

[KK_Me]

Glad I'm not the only one feeling silly because of that disc!

What really stopped me from connecting the dots, was that the shape of the M. disc shrine.

It's the only item in the game where the key doesn't match the shape of the key hole!!

[Bottles]

I don't think it needs a rework. There's no massive logical leap- M disc = Mock disc. You forgot you used one previously and then remembered. That is a you problem.