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You should use DDU when upgrading GPU. It will completely remove previous drivers to ensure a clean install of new driver for new GPU.
Also, the 3060 TI is not a full 4k card. Its way better for 1440p and if you looking to hit 60FPS in a majority of games you will def have to compromise on quality. Especially if game does not support DLSS. If you fine with getting 30 than ok, but try DDU. It should help.
Edit. Here are a few videos of your card running games at 4K. The first one shows your GPU avergaing around 43FPS for Odyssey at max in 4K even with an 8 core CPU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BasxjHQtObA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KklvoaYs1Hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrK9Z8R-knA
i7 8700
I'll look that up, but I did do a clean install.
Well, I'm aware. The thing is I should be able to get 60fps with an RTX 3060 Ti using the same exact settings I got 45fps with a GTX 1660, but it has gotten basically worse and completely unstable. It doesn't matter how much I lower graphics settings and resolution, the fps is always within that margin of 35~50.
Other older games (GTA V and Mass Effect Legendary Edition) I previously played at 1440p 60fps now run smoothly at 2160p 60 fps. The way Odyssey is behaving makes no sense. I won't run at 60 fps even on 1080p on lowest settings.
Usually when there is no performance difference when increasing or decreasing settings is a driver issue.
Just note that doing a clean install of driver from the NVIDIA installer only defaults the control panel settings and removes any profiles. It does not remove anything from previous driver.
That is why using DDU will most likely fix your issue and get your FPS back to where they belong.
What you want to do is download latest driver from NVIDIA and DDU [www.wagnardsoft.com]. DDU has a guide in link on how to use and tells you what it is/does.
It is 100% safe to use and only removes things associated with display driver. Nothing else. Just make sure to follow guide and only use in safe mode.
Thank you for your message and all your precisions about your system regarding your issue with unstable performance. Also, thank you animal_PLANET for all the help provided so far, always appreciated!
In addition to the steps already outlined, we always recommend to perform the steps of our performace troubleshooting guide [www.ubisoft.com] beforehand as it helped improving the performance of the game for the majority of our Players.
Do not hesitate to try these steps and please tell us if anything improved for you!
- Ubisoft Support
Thanks for the help. Only today I was able to do it. Went through the whole process with DDU: in safe mode, with no internet connection. New install of latest drivers and there was no change to the performance issues .
Tried unnistalling and reinstalling the ASUS software. No change.
Tried testing another game, Borderlands 2, with the settings the GTX 1660 produced smooth 60 fps in 1440p, now the RTX 3060 Ti is giving me a few fps drops to the 40s.
My motherboard is an ASUS TUF H310M-PLUS GAMING/BR; a friend suggested there might be some compatibility issue with the PCI-express slot, but I don't think that's possible.
Do you mind filling in your other specs so I can give you better troubleshooting suggestions?
Motherboard: ASUS TUF H310M-PLUS GAMING/BR
CPU: i7 8700
GPU: RTX 3060 Ti
RAM: ?
Drives: ?
PSU: ?
Coolers: ?
Case: ?
Thanks again
The next thing I'm thinking of is formatting windows, this machine has had some windows update-related issues in the past. Thing is I'll be able to do it tomorrow at the earliest.
I'm not with the it right now, I'll try to answer accurately here:
Motherboard: ASUS TUF H310M-PLUS GAMING/BR
CPU: i7-9700F Coffee Lake (sorry, answered it wrong the first time)
GPU: ASUS RTX 3060 Ti Dual
RAM: 2x HyperX Fury, 8GB, 2666MHz, DDR4, CL16
Drives: Nvidia geforce 512.15 (sorry, there's more needed here?)
PSU: Corsair CX650
Coolers: well, there's 5 of them, all with some LED
Case: Corsair Carbide SPEC-04, I believe
Your CPU will consume around 145W and your GPU around 250W. If that is in fact the correct GPU you listed as ASUS has multiple DUAL cards. Some reviews clocked it at over 300W power consumption.
You may get away with 650W but with any power spikes it may not leave head room. Especially since you are gaming at 4K which will draw a lot of power.
RAM is OK but If you doing anything else like streaming or running things in the background it will def take up more system resources. If not you should be fine there.
As for your drives you gave me what display driver you are using. I was asking what type of storage drives are you using. HDD, SSD, M.2? No biggie but SSD is def preferred.
If you could give a little more specifics on cooler? What is on the CPU? Are you using only air or is it on liquid? Using case fans? It maybe throttling if not cooling efficiently enough and your case thermal temps may be making it worse. Which is the next thing.
For your case your thermals are not that good as per Gamers Nexus [www.gamersnexus.net] review. Its pretty much at the bottom of the list. Make sure you have a proper push/pull configuration of your coolers to avoid negative pressure. Especially if they are all single coolers and no liquid.
If you are going to do a fresh install of windows make sure to delete the partition first to ensure everything is wiped and to ensures a clean install. Make sure to install all up to date drivers and chipsets as well from ASUS support site for your motherboard.
I would also check to see if there is a motherboard BIOS update before installing windows. If there is an update available make sure to default the settings first. Than apply the update. Once updated load the optimal settings of your choice and select the proper XMP profile if supported by your RAM.
In conclusion I would say since you are trying to game at 4K i would recommend upgrading your PSU, and possibly look into getting a liquid cooler for CPU. Since this case does run pretty warm you want to avoid thermal throttling of the CPU. Especially if fans are creating negative pressure depending on how you have them set up. A fresh install of windows should help as well before looking into any H/W upgrades or changes.
TL,DR: formatting helped with borderlands 2, there's no instability anymore. AC odyssey had no improvement and 100% usage of CPU indicates a CPU bottleneck...but if that was the case for borderlands before formatting, can't explain why it worked fine with gtx 1660, then worked poorly with rtx 3060 ti, then worked fine again after formatting.
About the PSU: after some research and discussion before the purchase I decided to buy the 650w as I had a 550w before that. I was halfway convinced I could get away with the 550w, but it was a gamble. Now, after some post-format testing the GPU stays usually around the 80w~150w range, with a few spikes closer to 200w...Given the GPU usage, it's possible when closer to 100% usage, it would get near 300w. (That was using the Nvidia software)
I think I'll do some more research about my PSU.
System and storage drives are SATA SSD's.
I use only air, no water cooler. Well, as far I can understand, CPU and GPU temperatures have always been acceptable, around 30s and 40s celsius when not gaming, usually at the 60s in higher performance and very rarely I've seen it hit the 70s. Although that's high, I believe it's still within the expected range.
About the case, I've been meaning to buy a new one also, but mostly because of the rusting. Wasn't aware of the low thermals stats. I'd say the air flow is the best possible, given the case right now.
About the BIOS: I thought that could help also, but as I'm not that savvy, I'd like to stay from meddling with that if I can avoid.
After formatting I tested out:
Borderlands 2: Before the format it had worse performance with the same settings the GTX 1660 ran smoothly. Now there's no trace of the instability. Capable of going 1440p 60 fps (no fps drops, as it was with the GTX 1660) as well as 4k 60 fps now.
Cyberpunk: Performance within the expected range for the card, DLSS clearly gives a lot more FPS.
Age of Empires 3 DE: This one is infamous for how heavy it is. Was able to run at 4k 60fps, no problem.
Now...
AC Odyssey: I can't say that formatting helped with the performance, I have found some settings with which I can run 4k 40fps with very few fps drops. I'll stick with that, because going down to 1440p and 1080p still changes basically nothing for the performance. The geforce software indicates almost always something around 90~100% CPU usage.
If I hadn't encountered issues with borderlands before formatting, I'd simply attribute the odyssey issues to a very poorly optimized game and forget about it. Maybe the installation of the rtx 3060 ti screwed something up and the CPU needed the format. can't say.
Thank you, again
No worries on the reply. You def should not be bottle necking as you have 8/8. When monitoring CPU what is your GPU usage at the time you hit 100% CPU? Does that come down at all or does it stay there?
When installing windows did you install latest public release? No insider, preview or optional updates. Did you also install all up to date drivers and chipsets from ASUS?
Since you do have an ASUS motherboard they have a thing called armoury crate. Make sure that doesnt get installed. They also like to add audio services like Nahimic. If that is running make sure to disable. Both of those have been known to cause conflicts and issues with some games. Armoury crate can be disabled via BIOS.
Yes, anything above 88-92°C is were trouble starts. So if your temps are stable in the 70s you should def be ok there.
Your BIOS received a lot of performance updates in 2018/19. Re-sizable bar was than added in 2021 along with Windows 11 support by default. Latest version is 3202.
I would def recommend updating since it had so many updates to improve system performance. This may help with other issues and should help with CPU. It is really simple to do. Just download latest BIOS from ASUS and extract the zip file to a flash drive. Reboot into BIOS and run ez flash utility and select flash drive. it will than update, but if you really are not comfortable with that don't do it.
Just watch some videos on youtube when you got the time to get more comfortable. This way you can see its really not that bad. They make the user interface so easy to work with now there shouldnt be any problems.
If you getting around 40FPS for 4K that is on par for this card. If you watch other videos as well they average around there too at 4K so you are def good now.
Installing a fresh copy of windows is helpful as you just found out. Sometimes the file structure of the O/S gets messy with all the things that get installed and uninstalled. A lot of programs running, etc.
Glad I could lend a bit of a hand. If you got any other issues or questions let us know.
If I don't limit FPS, CPU is always at 100%. When I do limit it, CPU usage stays 85% or above, while GPU usage will be mostly 55~70% either way. That is true for any resolution. Still same performance in 2160p as in 1080p.
Now that I'm aware that the cpu usage is the issue, a quick search shows a lot of people reporting the same problem and no apparent known solution, other than lowering the fps limit. Still, it's bizarre not being able to get a steady 60 fps even on the lowest graphics preset and 1080p.
thanks a lot for the help, I'll do some research about the BIOS update.
Yea no problem. That is very strange if you are bottlenecking. Def should not be an issue with 8 cores. Even though you do not have hyper threading. It should be more than capable with a 3060 Ti.
Ok so, as I am writing this reply I just looked up your chipset. The H310 chipset has native support for PCI-E 2.0. However, your motherboard has a revised version. So that means it supports both PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0 depending on CPU. Your CPU does support 3.0.
I would suggest you make sure the BIOS is setup as 3.0 for your PCI-E slot. So make sure it is on Gen3 x16. That should help as the RTX 3060 Ti is also a PCI-E 4.0 card. You would than be capping its bandwidth by more than half with Gen2.
Assuming it is setup as Gen2 this would make sense that CPU is such high usage as the the amount of frames being sent to GPU is higher than what the GPU can handle. Since the bandwidth is being limited by Gen2.
This would also probably also be the reason why you see no performance difference with a lower resolution. CPU is sending frames the GPU cant process efficiently or fast enough due to having lower bandwidth.
Def try that and see if it helps. It also varies with what other programs are running when you are playing. So that will be a factor on CPU resources.
Hey! Thank you for helping out this player in such detail. It is greatly appreciated how much you help out the community.
iaguin_du_caum if you need further help please do reach back out.
Thank you.
- Ubisoft Support