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One big example. Epic have so much money for exclusivity but they cant even provide a decent integrated forum like on steam??
I never said consoles are fair. Imo They are also worng in making stuff exclusive. Just like epic. I like halo. Doesn't mean I like xbox or support their exclusivity.
If you honestly think epic's platform and features are better then you are among the delusional folks I mentioned earlier. And I got zero interest on elaborating on this. Stop shilling.
So, your position is that, for example, Nintendo should publish all their games on Steam, as well as XBox, Epic, Playstation, Itch.io, etc? There should be no competition whatsoever amongst platforms, and publishers should have no choice as to which platforms provide a fair deal to them?
For all the complaining about a lack of competition, the PC/console market, demonstrates how exclusives can create a good, healthy, competitive market. Four major players is a *little* small, but they are four good choices. It's not like everyone owns a PS5, and maybe a handful of people try buying a Switch; there are plenty of people who own one of the four choices, and not the other. Plus, despite the actual barrier of entry from hardware costs, many people are quite happy to straddle platforms, which is very important for maintaining the competitive market.
Well, you said "decent", not "better". But I do think Epic's range of games is better, and that's THE most important feature an online gaming platform can have. Everything else, gamers can live without or supplement with other services.
Never! I will shill for GoG until the day I die! Every other platform is trash!
But yeah, I'll leave it here if you will.
And no, Mr. cheep crybabby hatter is NOT shilling for GoG. He is shilling for Epic.
He just used GOG's name to prove his point because he knows no-one hates GoG here. That way he can be disguised as a neutral. He is one of those shameless person who BUY games on Epic (giving money to the enemy), and then roaming in the Steam forums AND then ALSO spreads Anti-Steam propaganda on it.
You can look at it in two ways: either MS is cheating its way into unfair competition by giving a continuous stream of bribes in order to rob every other system of Halo, or that they are giving their financial support in exchange for loyalty to a platform, a deal mutually beneficial to Microsoft and Bungie. The difference between Halo and Epic, to me, seems to be that a lot more money was spent to make Halo a lot less accessible.
Of course, the console market is currently pretty competitive. Paying for exclusives seems not to have killed the market, it just means that most of the big players need to start buying exclusives in order to remain competitive.
You can tell by my ringing endorsements like "Epic has a 'decent' launcher", "If nothing else, it has a superior range", and "Every other platform than GoG is trash".
Besides, aren't you the same person who actually specifically *apologised* for stupidly accusing me of being a shill with a throwaway account? Oh wait, yeah, you did:
Did you forget? Or is it easier to get your broken points across if you pretend to forget?
I offered the truth about my account to you. I offered to show you how to prove to yourself that you were wrong about me. I did it in the hope that you had some interest in the truth, not just whatever BS you could get away drivelling. You specifically CHOSE to learn the truth. You can't just pretend it never happened.
I'm just trying to get people not to slavishly stick to Steam, and buy all their games on it. The platform isn't even that great, it's just popular. You can call it propaganda if you like, but it's an opinion, and like most of my opinions, it wasn't formed lightly.
Your problem is, you don't actually engage in arguments. When logic simply doesn't work in your favour, you just attack the messenger. You have already proven, to yourself, that your assumptions about me were wrong. You have publicly apologised for making them, and besmirching me. Any further attempts to assassinate my character in order to bury my arguments are just making you look pathetic.
Why can you not actually accept that these arguments, which you struggle to counter, were formed naturally, through critical thinking? You don't even have to agree with me! Why must it be that everyone who comes to a different conclusion to you is being paid to do so?
I challenge you to find two instances of me praising some aspect about Epic over Steam. I said Epic has a superior range; that's one. Find me any other instance where I said Epic is superior to Steam in any respect. Go on. Defend your hypocritical position! It'll give you something to do other than avoid my arguments and pertinent questions.
This is the usual straw-man fallacy. It is your free choice to drink Coca-Cola for life and ignore Pepsi without giving any reason for this decision to be valid.
In this case, though, people aren't likely to enjoy using 4-5 different platforms and launchers simultaneously only to start a few additional games, especially if they have all of them (counting in hundreds) on their Steam for years. The inability of big guys at the top to reach an agreement is relatively petty excuse from user's perspective. It's quality-of-life convenience thing on user side and nothing should force them to change it.
This is very similar to Netflix fiasco. It was very convenient years ago to pay just for one platform at a time, but since Amazon Prime, HBO GO, Disney+ etc. followed, they all just became a struggle. Don't repeat the same mistake.
I like it clean and simple. In one place. If you're masochistic enough to run 5 launchers and support such concept (SJW style), it's up to you. Enjoy your time doing it, I won't.
This also isn't really the reason I put that challenge in there. The point is to break down this idea that you must stick to one platform or another. Nobody wants to really put it plainly (you came the closest), but it's all over everyone's arguments here. Not explicitly, but implicitly. I try specifically to hone in on that one tacit assumption, and politely question it wherever possible. In response, I usually either get: "I don't want to talk about this anymore", ad hominems, or people like you who subtly reposition my arguments (i.e. resort to the strawman fallacy).
As an example of this, I tried asking Cloud Boy the burning question (that nobody has properly answered yet): what is so enormously inconvenient about creating a free Epic account, and downloading games through a different launcher? The answer I got from Cloud Boy was telling: he told me about how the features of Epic were inferior to Steam's. This is a very pertinent point if you are assuming you can only use one or the other, but utterly inconsequential when you realise you can use both.
Another example: Darth Reyns pointed out that Steam has an integrated forum, but Epic doesn't. Does Darth Reyns actually want to join a second games forum, and is genuinely angry that Epic (of all companies) doesn't provide this service? I don't think so. Again, if you assume that using Epic means you can no longer use Steam, then this is a serious concern. But, if you realise you can use both, then the idea of keeping up with multiple redundant forums is suddenly quite unappealing.
It's the same thing with consoles. If I buy a Playstation, that doesn't mean I have to throw out my XBox. Nothing bad happens if I buy some Playstation games and some XBox games. There's nothing wrong with having a library split over multiple platforms. And if you download GoG Galaxy, you can get all your games over most platforms into a single list. It's not a problem.
No, most people stick to at most about 3. Unlike consoles though, there are actual technological solutions to collating libraries from multiple platforms. As I said, GoG Galaxy makes this stuff quite straight forward.
The big guys at the top ideally shouldn't be reaching an agreement, because that's known as a "cartel". Keeping a single list of games on a single launcher is an extremely petty reason for encouraging this behaviour.
Ideally, there should be competition. There should be a bunch of different platforms, which publishers and gamers can choose between. There shouldn't be a single choice which every publisher must decide to publish on, and there shouldn't be a single choice which every gamer must decide to use. Unfortunately, that's basically what's going on now.
What mistake? Having a healthy market? Keeping price and range competitive? You honestly think that, if every show was on Netflix, and every TV streamer had a Netflix subscription, that we'd be better off? Semi-seriously asking here.
EDIT: Additionally, it should be said, unlike the major gaming platforms, there is an on-going monthly fee for streaming services. So, having these streaming services and not properly using them is a waste of money. Whereas, if you buy one or two games on a rival gaming service, they will wait for you on the platform without costing you a cent. I know that the cost isn't what you're really complaining about here, but it's an important thing to mention.
Look, I don't want to make it sound like it's not your choice, because it absolutely is (and that's part of the whole point). I respect the way that you simply and calmly state your preference in the matter, even though I've spent the past few days hunting down this particular preference. Even in healthy markets (like TV streaming and consoles), there are people who simply don't want to try different providers. And that works fine... to a point. So long as there aren't too many such people, and so long as they don't all fall in line behind the same provider, the market can function just fine.
But, it doesn't change the fact that this kind of brand loyalty is ultimately toxic to a competitive market. Small amounts of toxins, spread evenly throughout the body can be survived easily, but when they start to pool in one particular organ, that can be a major problem for the entire body. If you make your choice to stay with Steam, then that's fine. But, encouraging others to make this choice (which I'm not at all accusing you of; this is more others like Cloud Boy and Darth Reyns), or indeed trying to ethically shame others who have made a different choice (one that's better for the market and gamers everywhere), is just wrong.
If you're at all interested (and it doesn't seem like you are, but still), you can try making a GoG account, and trying GoG galaxy. You don't have to buy a single game; just link your Steam account to your GoG account, and try launching your Steam games from their client. I say this, because I think it is the best solution we have for managing games from multiple platforms, one with few of the downsides that you seem to be worried about. You could try it just with Steam, or even nab a free game on GoG as well if there's a sale on, and compare your experience. Who knows, it might be up your alley?
And, now he is playing a VICTIM card by saying: people are offensive towards him. But you will find plenty-plenty of active / passive aggression in his various comments towards ME and towards OTHERS who did not support his Ant-Steam propaganda, example-
Comment #61, last line.
He is NOT as innocent (or polite) as he pretends, after all.
A prime example of ''wolf in sheep's clothing''.
Even if an actual Epic shill were to repeat my arguments (at least, the non-GoG related bits) here, they would be 100% correct in their assessment. And you would be gulled into believing something 100% false, just because of who made these arguments to you. Hitler probably believed that 1+1=2, but I'm not so stupid as to think that just because he killed about a quarter of my family that everything he says is false!
If you actually think I'm wrong, then argue with me. Tell me what I've said that's actually wrong. If you can't (and I'm pretty convinced you genuinely lack the ability), then what are you doing here, other than embarrassing yourself further?
No, just you. Just you, the small-minded, knee-jerking little troll who baselessly accused me of being a shill, PROVED to himself that I wasn't a shill, APOLOGISED because he KNEW what he was saying was wrong (morally, as well as factually), and then PRETENDED it never happened just because he lost the argument. I can't believe I actually respected you after your apology; I thought you were arguing in good faith for a minute!
Perfect example of you wilfully ignoring 90% of what I'm saying, to make an utterly false point. If you actually provide the full quote, you'll see this just below Darth Reyn's final quote:
I hate to insult your intelligence by explaining the joke, but there's a certain similarity between "People who disagree with me are delusional", and "People who disagree with me are clinically insane". Neither statement is actually an argument (it doesn't explain what is right or wrong, or why). The point is to gently and humorously nullify any rhetorical value in putting this at the end of the argument, since it doesn't actually contribute to the discussion. Much like everything in this "reply" of yours. The double exclamation mark is there to give a little hint that maybe I don't actually believe that every person who disagrees with me ought to be institutionalised.
I am polite (and genuinely unsure how someone could merely "pretend" to be polite). I've been patient, polite, and welcoming to everyone here, including you for most of the time. I've never given a person more sass than I've received from them.
Even when you accused me of being a shill the first time, I never once turned the ad hominem attack on you. I never treated you as scummy as you treated me. I patiently explained my position, and why your unfounded and rude assumptions about me were demonstrably false. You agreed, apologised (as you should; falsely and baselessly accusing someone of being a shill when they politely disagree with you is pretty offensive), and I briefly respected you. Thanks to me patiently and politely being the bigger person, we were briefly able just leave our argument with neither of us disrespecting each other.
You could have left it there. You could have just said, "I disagree, and I don't want to talk about it any more", and we would have been fine. You have re-entered the discussion, not to provide any further points towards your argument, but to specifically and maliciously take me down, the person who is speaking too much truth for you to handle.
I'm not playing the victim card here; I actually feel sorry for you, not for me. But, if you continue trying to derail the topic, by pushing slander about me that you publicly admitted was false, then I will report you. I think I have been more than patient with you.
I bought Assassins Creed Valhalla this weekend. To my disappointment it did not want to work due to missing dll files. I then used Microsoft Visual C++ and that seemed to fix the problem. Finally I could launch the game, only for it to crash as soon as I enter the first scene! I am really disappointed.
I then decided to try Assassins Creed Odyssey as this was on special through Steam. But yet again it does not work. It does not run smoothly at all. I tried to change graphics settings, run compatibility etc nothing has worked.
It is running so slow/lagging that it is completely unplayable!
Forgot to mention that Odyssey also had the black screen issue the first few times I tried to play the game.
This came after he accused me the first time he accused me of being a shill with a throwaway account.
As for an "absurd amount of time", I notice that Cloud Boy has been here at least as long as me, is shilling for Steam, and has been caught lying and arguing in bad faith. I, on the other hand, have mustered no brighter praise for Epic than to say their launcher is "decent", and actively recommended competing services over it. But yet I'm the one who is accused of being a paid shill?
Cloud Boy seems to be on some sad little vendetta against me. He knows for a fact that I'm not a shill, but lying about it is his only remaining weapon. He's in that uncomfortable place of disagreeing with what I'm saying, but unable to find a single fault in what I'm saying, so he'd rather attack the messenger. But, if attacked, I reserve the right to defend myself.
I also reject the label "combative", since I've been polite and welcoming to almost everyone here. Unlike many of the people here, I've listened and responded calmly to every argument thrown at me, without attacking the person saying it. I've only responded less politely to people who only seem to be here to make demonstrably false ad hominem attacks against me, and totally ignore the discussion at hand.