Poor Leveling , Game is becoming an Excessive Grind - Level 34+

[SP2244]

I even changed the setting in options for scaling but they don't work... no matter how high my level goes all the common soldiers move to my level - this game is good lesson on why socialism does not work.... you might as well stay at level 25 where all soldiers are at 25, at least they died faster, less grind. And now the missions are making me run around too much, more than half this game is riding my horse! I have many syncs, but still of little value when the missions of importance keep being at distant places. I was really into the story at the beginning, but now the fun factor is just Grind Grind Grind ... I am supposed to be this great Assassin, but the common soldier with a shield is at my level and not as easy to kill as they should be... as you level up your gap between common soldier should grow and killing them should take seconds, while the harder level boss fights take longer.... game is really broke - it is so beautiful and really like the Greek/ROME style environment, but just can't handle the excessive Grinding to move up to only see everyone else move up at same time - what is the point? And many of the common soldiers within fortress camps are always +2 my level , which is even more annoying. I wish we could turn off the auto leveling since it obviously does not work - easy fix, but will they , no - why? Because they are selling a leveling fix .... what a scam .. break the game on purpose and then sell the fix. New low in gaming tricks to get money out of us!!

[SP2244]

Publicado originalmente por Mujokan:

75 is not high, I finished the game at 70 then started NG+, after a few days of play I'm at 75. Many people are at level 99 by now.

I have the heavy leveling setting so everyone is at least my level. Difficulty is nightmare as I said.

I did not buy anything except the standard game, no paid DLC even.

Playing hunter/warrior, epic gear.

First engraving is always hunter damage. Then crit chance. Then poison damage. Then elemental build-up. Then crit damage. Then other damage and adrenaline stuff.

Otherwise fighting with heavy blunt. Charged heavy hit then dodge+heavy = bye bye.

One normal skinny fighter takes two arrow headshots. Every time. No abilities needed.

I do not care enough about you to BS you.

You have some problem that you cannot understand well enough to explain to us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwyayf-392M
The truth is out why fanboys continue to hype

[Mujokan]

Oh I see now, you are some kind of freak. Enjoy your day.

[SP2244]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0FXMB64g8w

[Tr0w]

Got the game recently, i'm over thirty hours in and honestly it's a single player MMO, it reminds me a lot of of playing Dragon Age Inquisition. It's extremely grindy, the side missions are your bog standard MMO quests. The level scaling really takes away from the game, every time i level up, all the enemies do as well which means i then have to make sure my gear is levelled which is insanely expensive and time consuming. So i go do missions for money but i level up as i'm doing that which means my upgrades costs go up, it's a hamster wheel, especially as it uses the garbage Diablo random stat loot system for a lot of stuff.

Also not being able to have a shield is retarded as are the combat animations, why is a Greek warrior wielding a spear like someone out of a Chinese kung fu movie?

[Aethrys]

Common soldiers aren't much of a threat even though they're "Your level". The player is Ares incarnate next to even the strongest Hoplite. You've got the powers of the gods on your side, a successor to the legacy of Achilles. A Greek among Greeks. Arm and equip yourself accordingly and only other Misthios will make for interesting fights.

[lolschrauber]

Go for warrior and fire damage and stuff Dies fast.

[Mujokan]

Publicado originalmente por Spr1ggan:

... every time i level up, all the enemies do as well which means i then have to make sure my gear is levelled...

No you don't have to make sure your gear is leveled.

The game is not that difficult that a few points of armor make any difference. Upgrade every 5-10 levels or use epic gear that you find.

[BT]

in the battle, it's not about killing enemy soldiers.. it's about killing enemy captains.

and now, you're talking like the you are in the hate bandwagon. This is my 2nd assassins creed game, I'm only a casual gamer.. I managed to reach lvl 79 now without grinding too much. The only thing that keeps me going is obtaining pegasus from that box.

[Tr0w]

Publicado originalmente por Aethrys:

Common soldiers aren't much of a threat even though they're "Your level". The player is Ares incarnate next to even the strongest Hoplite. You've got the powers of the gods on your side, a successor to the legacy of Achilles. A Greek among Greeks. Arm and equip yourself accordingly and only other Misthios will make for interesting fights.

Publicado originalmente por Mujokan:

Publicado originalmente por Spr1ggan:

... every time i level up, all the enemies do as well which means i then have to make sure my gear is levelled...

No you don't have to make sure your gear is leveled.

The game is not that difficult that a few points of armor make any difference. Upgrade every 5-10 levels or use epic gear that you find.

I'm playing on nightmare and yes a common soldier can kill you in two or three hits, and try taking down enemy captains and mercs with weapons 5-10 levels lower then them. It takes about 10 minutes to get their HP bar down... Then when you go to upgrade that weapon you find it costs hundreds of every resource and thousands upon thousands of Drachmae. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid.

Publicado originalmente por BT:

in the battle, it's not about killing enemy soldiers.. it's about killing enemy captains.

and now, you're talking like the you are in the hate bandwagon. This is my 2nd assassins creed game, I'm only a casual gamer.. I managed to reach lvl 79 now without grinding too much. The only thing that keeps me going is obtaining pegasus from that box.

Obviously the battles are about killing captains but guess what, the captain always has at least two or three normal guys backing him up, and every time you kill one he'll call for another to take his place.

[meep_meep]

I think a lot of people misunderstand how progression in this game is supposed to work, which is partially Ubisoft's fault since they carried over the level system from Origins, so people presumed it would work the same way, but it doesn't. In Origins you were supposed to get more powerful and be able to dominate opponents after a good amount of play time *because of your level*. The default level scaling in that game was to keep low-level opponents at a low level, so you became overpowered simply by leveling up.

In Odyssey, it is not supposed to work that way. You don't get overpowered just by leveling up, you get overpowered through your *abilities* and *gear*. Yes, it's true that with the default scaling, enemies' HP scales to your level, but if you have allocated your ability points smartly and you have good gear, you will notice that the amount of damage you do proportionally increases even as their HP increases.

For example, I'm 211 hours in on Hard difficulty (first playthrough) and I just finished the most recent DLC episode at level 72. I have the default level scaling on so most enemies are around that level too, but despite that, fights are much easier than they were 40 or even 20 levels ago. I have legendary daggers + the Minotaur's labrys with the Immortal armor set and +25% damage to elites and bosses as well as +25% poison damage and the reduced overpower cost of the labrys. Then throw in maxed out hero strike + fury of the bloodline + ring of pain and I absolutely dominate every single combat encounter. I think I've gotten like 2 desyncs in the past 20 hours of gameplay and that was only because the Immortal set ability doesn't work with fire damage.

Anyway the point is that you will become overpowered if you play the game right instead of trying to play it like Origins.

[Tr0w]

@Hell patrol the problem i'm having though is that on nightmare you really need to at least keep your weapons levelled up otherwise you aren't really making a dent in the huge sponge bars enemies have, and on nightmare you level up so fast that the cost becomes absurd. But anything lower than nightmare is far too easy in terms of combat difficulty.

[meep_meep]

Publicado originalmente por Spr1ggan:

@Hell patrol the problem i'm having though is that on nightmare you really need to at least keep your weapons levelled up otherwise you aren't really making a dent in the huge sponge bars enemies have, and on nightmare you level up so fast that the cost becomes absurd. But anything lower than nightmare is far too easy in terms of combat difficulty.

That just sounds like an issue with poor difficulty scaling between hard and nightmare, not an inherent flaw in the leveling system.

[El Shabs]

To be fair this isn't exactly news, even the positive reviews out there highlighted the need to grind. It's hard to find time to complete this game, it's boring, you're basically doing the same thing over and over again to level up and progress. Sure we had grindy games like FF7 in the past but even in there, by around 35 hours you would have maxed out characters with awesome weapons and powers (I finished that game about 5 times over the years)

[Blk_Widow9]

Publicado originalmente por Hell Patrol:

I think a lot of people misunderstand how progression in this game is supposed to work, which is partially Ubisoft's fault since they carried over the level system from Origins, so people presumed it would work the same way, but it doesn't. In Origins you were supposed to get more powerful and be able to dominate opponents after a good amount of play time *because of your level*. The default level scaling in that game was to keep low-level opponents at a low level, so you became overpowered simply by leveling up.

In Odyssey, it is not supposed to work that way. You don't get overpowered just by leveling up, you get overpowered through your *abilities* and *gear*. Yes, it's true that with the default scaling, enemies' HP scales to your level, but if you have allocated your ability points smartly and you have good gear, you will notice that the amount of damage you do proportionally increases even as their HP increases.

For example, I'm 211 hours in on Hard difficulty (first playthrough) and I just finished the most recent DLC episode at level 72. I have the default level scaling on so most enemies are around that level too, but despite that, fights are much easier than they were 40 or even 20 levels ago. I have legendary daggers + the Minotaur's labrys with the Immortal armor set and +25% damage to elites and bosses as well as +25% poison damage and the reduced overpower cost of the labrys. Then throw in maxed out hero strike + fury of the bloodline + ring of pain and I absolutely dominate every single combat encounter. I think I've gotten like 2 desyncs in the past 20 hours of gameplay and that was only because the Immortal set ability doesn't work with fire damage.

Anyway the point is that you will become overpowered if you play the game right instead of trying to play it like Origins.

Hi SP2244,

This post has some really great advice. Your enemies will continue to scale with you. You'll need to play with different abilities and engraving your weapons and armor to get an edge on them.

What build are you using for your character?

You can also change the difficulty at any time if you're not having fun. ;)

[SP2244]

Publicado originalmente por El Shabs:

To be fair this isn't exactly news, even the positive reviews out there highlighted the need to grind. It's hard to find time to complete this game, it's boring, you're basically doing the same thing over and over again to level up and progress. Sure we had grindy games like FF7 in the past but even in there, by around 35 hours you would have maxed out characters with awesome weapons and powers (I finished that game about 5 times over the years)

I wonder how many fanboys who say game is easy and no grind also bought the upgrade pkg. that gives them 50% exp. perk. I bought no extras, so forced to use my bow more than I would like with high perks, even then, many of the players I am hitting in the head 3+ times before they dye. Yet, I notice higher soldiers than me if hit my anywhere even 2x I am dead. And I have gold armor, good weapons and perks for level 37. Just about every serious game reviewer has said this game is too much grind... I just stopped playing yesterday, tired of all the stupid errands and lack of real progression in story (story was very interesting up to meeting father and mother, but downhill with no upside since). Just got sooooo boring to continue. Plus let's be honest there is only so much you can really do with a slash game in close range.... kick (lower shield), then charge, then cut then while down, roll, block, repeat till dead... after 100x of that I am bored. I found it much more fun using the slow long range bow and the explosive arrows. Even with explosive arrows, I hit a whole group of soldiers (levels above) like 5x and they still were not dead. Another strange thing is ship attacks, I sunk a ship in the NE corner of map, then out of nowhere there were 4 other ships that sunk me in seconds... they were not even in sight pre-sinking of enemy ship...strange balance at times. Overall give it a 7 rating up to level 30, then a 6 after that... on the overall looks of game a 10