Iranians (Persians) in this game.

[Nopeland]

I get the feeling that the developers are trying so hard to vilify Persians in the game and copying from the 300 movie.

Persian Immortal armour is horrible, not even close to the real armours that are showed on Persepolis walls and other sources that we have . In the best case it could resemble some medieval Persian armour but definitely not Achemanid armour. And what is the point of the mask? Are you trying to copy the weird ninja monsters from 300?
Plus the descriptions are catastrophic " the helmet demands blood" are you kidding me?

In addition we know that Persian soldiers wore colourful cloths and armour whats up with the full black cloths and curved sword?

Its funny that they added women soldiers and player to the ancient Greece where women were considered as second class citizens even in the so called democracy of Athens in order to be PC but I guess the Persians don't have the favour of the SJWs lol.

Positive point: the Persian elite armour seems correct I hope we see some good armour with the legacy of the first blade episode 2 and 3 , the Babylonian ship is awesome hoping for more Persian skin and lieutenant

Pretty deceived that we don't get to travel to Persia with the legacy of the first blade

Ultra detail: It is good that we have women shanties for women crew but Persian crew singing in greek is a bit unimmersive (or maybe there are Ionians of Achemanid Iran?)

[Tiudyr645🧉]

Messaggio originale di satan:

what are you defending? what are you against? i'm just saying showing Cyrus as a f*ing monster, is "a bit" insulting to persians. it's like you s**t on jesus and expect from christans not to be insulted! do you get it now???! Cyrus is the biggest king and hero in persian history and people loved him, like mcdonald's and burger king for you americans. so i'm asking again why bunch of developers would let themselves to easily s**t on a nation?! with what purpose?. the game is accusing persians of slavery!. don't just say the words that your educational system taught you. what does even order mean? when you dont khnow s*it about history just don't reply!. Achaemenid wasn't an organisation, it was the iranians biggest empire!.

Dude, it's just a game. Don't be such a crybaby.
Again, the game doesn't portray all Persians as villains or bad guys, you have two of them who are actually good guys in the first DLC. The Order is just a group of them that want to control over the world. Don't you get the memo? They're basically the same as the templar order in The Crusades. Different time periods, different religion and location, but they shared the same objectives. And the Templar knights have been the main villains in the franchise since the very first game, and you don't see catholics crying over it.

[jack_of_tears]

People are so dumb. The game is being told from the perspective of the Greeks and Spartans. Historically, the three had a very confrontational history of shifting alliances, sometimes friends, sometimes foes. It isn't making a judgement about a people it's showing you the conflict from one biased viewpoint - that of Kas/Alexios. We don't go through history watching ourselves from a bird's eye view, we see it colored by our expectations and personal stake.

What you are talking about is your own bias and inability to separate reality from fiction.

[Kabob]

Messaggio originale di satan:

i'm asking again why bunch of developers would let themselves to easily s**t on a nation?

Satan....

Okay, Just for the record, it's safe to say no one here knows WHY they did it. Best to ask them somehow if it's that important to get real answers.

As far as your grievance, I never once got the impression of anything pointedly negative towards the Iranian peoples. Even the Persians seemed somewhat more civilized in manner compared to the Greek World.

Without Persia: Math, Astronomy, and other sciences would have taken much longer to 'evolve'. If I had to stand 100% behind everything my USA has done, I'd hang myself. But part of being American means I don't have to agree with all doctrine.

[satan]

Messaggio originale di Kabob:

...part of being American means I don't have to agree with all doctrine.

i respect that and it's a fair point.

Messaggio originale di eXiler:

Dude, it's just a game. Don't be such a crybaby.

i understand that it's just a game, but i don't believe that every one else does know what that means. most of the people's knowledge of other countries is based on movies and mass media. for example as i said i'm an iranian some dude here immediately started talking about bomb threats, and it was totally unrelated to the conversation. so yes it's just a game, and it does have millions of players and it has some serious effects.


i hope in the future writers, developers and film makers try to be more fair and respectful toward other countries and nations. we are fed up with insults and humiliations from inside. as an iranian i don't need any more from outside!. history will remember and will be remembered, whether you try to change it or deny it, it's there being a witness of what we do and what others do to us.

[Night]

Messaggio originale di satan:

Messaggio originale di Kabob:

...part of being American means I don't have to agree with all doctrine.

i respect that and it's a fair point.

Messaggio originale di eXiler:

Dude, it's just a game. Don't be such a crybaby.

i understand that it's just a game, but i don't believe that every one else does know what that means. most of the people's knowledge of other countries is based on movies and mass media. for example as i said i'm an iranian some dude here immediately started talking about bomb threats, and it was totally unrelated to the conversation. so yes it's just a game, and it does have millions of players and it has some serious effects.


i hope in the future writers, developers and film makers try to be more fair and respectful toward other countries and nations. we are fed up with insults and humiliations from inside. as an iranian i don't need any more from outside!. history will remember and will be remembered, whether you try to change it or deny it, it's there being a witness of what we do and what others do to us.

Are you refering to my post where I brought up the SAS commercial and the bomb threats towards SAS because of it? Because if you are, I will kind of start to doubt your reading comprehension skills. Did you actually read the comment and understand it?

[Night]

Messaggio originale di eXiler:

Messaggio originale di satan:

what are you defending? what are you against? i'm just saying showing Cyrus as a f*ing monster, is "a bit" insulting to persians. it's like you s**t on jesus and expect from christans not to be insulted! do you get it now???! Cyrus is the biggest king and hero in persian history and people loved him, like mcdonald's and burger king for you americans. so i'm asking again why bunch of developers would let themselves to easily s**t on a nation?! with what purpose?. the game is accusing persians of slavery!. don't just say the words that your educational system taught you. what does even order mean? when you dont khnow s*it about history just don't reply!. Achaemenid wasn't an organisation, it was the iranians biggest empire!.

Dude, it's just a game. Don't be such a crybaby.
Again, the game doesn't portray all Persians as villains or bad guys, you have two of them who are actually good guys in the first DLC. The Order is just a group of them that want to control over the world. Don't you get the memo? They're basically the same as the templar order in The Crusades. Different time periods, different religion and location, but they shared the same objectives. And the Templar knights have been the main villains in the franchise since the very first game, and you don't see catholics crying over it.

That is just more of the same victim blaming mentality and trivialization that people of other cultures have to put up with on top of having their culture and history tarnished or flat out used for propaganda.

If you ask me, Persians, Chinese, Japanese and other nations are the most tolerant of all when it comes to having their history tarnished. Just recently SAS released a commercial promoting traveling to other countries, bringing up that other nations had great inventions, like the windmill from Persia and so on, the Scandinavians and other europeans got so triggered they made bomb threats to SAS over it, just look it up, it is all over the news. Now imagine a movie like 300 or this game was made about nordic europeans portrayed so terribly, they would probably start world war 3 over it. Not to mention all the outrage these days if a company dares to have a female in their video game or movie, "mommy they put a waman in mah game mommy!"

The biggest snowflakes today who cry about everything but then want to put others down when they complain about actual propaganda..

[Simple Man]

Messaggio originale di Night:

Just recently SAS released a commercial promoting traveling to other countries, bringing up that other nations had great inventions, like the windmill from Persia and so on, the Scandinavians and other europeans got so triggered they made bomb threats to SAS over it, just look it up, it is all over the news.

Except it was nothing like what you're saying, and this "ad" was just another attempt from the self loathing feminazi riddled far left at stripping scandinavia of its identity and history, and im not even scandinavian. Its happening all over europe, and if you dispute it, you won't take two steps without being labeled some sort of phobe or ist.

And heres the actuall SAS video, that you should've presented along with that nonsense little speech of yours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShfsBPrNcTI
That ratio didn't completely bomb because of some lunatics, its everyday people that are beyond sick of it. You, of all people, to then speak of snowflakes lol, get a clue.

[Night]

Messaggio originale di Stealing Cows Milk For Cereal:

Messaggio originale di Night:

Just recently SAS released a commercial promoting traveling to other countries, bringing up that other nations had great inventions, like the windmill from Persia and so on, the Scandinavians and other europeans got so triggered they made bomb threats to SAS over it, just look it up, it is all over the news.

Except it was nothing like what you're saying, and this "ad" was just another attempt from the self loathing feminazi riddled far left at stripping scandinavia of its identity and history, and im not even scandinavian. Its happening all over europe, and if you dispute it, you won't take two steps without being labeled some sort of phobe or ist.

And heres the actuall SAS video, that you should've presented along with that nonsense little speech of yours:
That ratio didn't completely bomb because of some lunatics, its everyday people that are beyond sick of it. You, of all people, to then speak of snowflakes lol, get a clue.

:D
Thanks for proving my point!

[Simple Man]

You made a point? i missed it. All you established was that you're very "disturbed" about how [insert fotm group] is being represented in X Y or Z, and "oh my gosh even my greek friends were appaled over 300".

For one, you have no greek friends, forget about making stuff up, and two, you presented self deprecating propaganda as "just promoting traveling", its a good thing you don't care either way. Only you think you're good at disingenuous, might as well take it back to twitter.

[Night]

Messaggio originale di Stealing Cows Milk For Cereal:

You made a point? i missed it. All you established was that you're very "disturbed" about how [insert fotm group] is being represented in X Y or Z, and "oh my gosh even my greek friends were appaled over 300".

For one, you have no greek friends, forget about making stuff up, and two, you presented self deprecating propaganda as "just promoting traveling", its a good thing you don't care either way. Only you think you're good at disingenuous, might as well take it back to twitter.

As you can all see, he proves my point perfectly. If you look past the nonsense rambling and incoherent thought process, you will see he makes my point for me unkowingly. Although don't talk to the troll directly, he is angry and is lashing out with ad hominem behaviour, derailing the topic. I suppose it was just a matter of time before one of "these" showed up and showed you just how much of a "snowflake" and "neo sjw" some people are about something they deem tarnishing their culture or history, while showing disdain and disregard towards other peoples culture and history.

Now the matter of fact is that most if not all games and media these days are about glorifying European history and culture, just look at all the games about "Vikings" as an example or Napoleon. Meanwhile other cultures are getting denigrated and the few times that a culture like the persians is being shown they do mental gymnastics and change historical facts (persians abolished slavery while greeks had slaves) to try and portray the persian kings (the ones who abolished slavery) as evildoers.

Can you imagine if all persians, chinese, japanese, russians and other ethnic cultural groups were as much of a snowflake like this troll right here. No, the fact of the matter is that most other people are very tolerant about it, hardly ever complain and it is actually a rare thing to see persians or other people complain about games like this, which they should.

Now compare that to the 100 thousand something dislike bombing of the SAS video, the outrage everywhere and not to mention actual bomb threats made to SAS by "western viking wannabe" trolls like this.

[crashdown]

What did you expect? you play a Greek hero(-ine) fighting enemies from within and outside, obviously the Persians being the enemies would not be viewed very positively in a piece of fiction weither it's a game or a movie.

The copying from 300 wasn't exactly original, true, but I feel the Ancient Greeks get the worse deal in this movie as they're depicted as rather bland and generic way in this movie while the Ancient Persians with their awesome king Xerxes were awesome and interesting.


--In addition we know that Persian soldiers wore colourful cloths and armour whats up with the --full black cloths and curved sword?

Dude, it's antic ninjas, nothing is cooler and more lethal than ninjas, so the infamous Immortals had to look like them, obviously it's not historically accurate , but it looks awesome.

[Night]

Messaggio originale di crashdown:

What did you expect? you play a Greek hero(-ine) fighting enemies from within and outside, obviously the Persians being the enemies would not be viewed very positively in a piece of fiction weither it's a game or a movie.

The copying from 300 wasn't exactly original, true, but I feel the Ancient Greeks get the worse deal in this movie as they're depicted as rather bland and generic way in this movie while the Ancient Persians with their awesome king Xerxes were awesome and interesting.


--In addition we know that Persian soldiers wore colourful cloths and armour whats up with the --full black cloths and curved sword?

Dude, it's antic ninjas, nothing is cooler and more lethal than ninjas, so the infamous Immortals had to look like them, obviously it's not historically accurate , but it looks awesome.

First off, Greeks and Persians considered eachother family, had great relations, they still hug eachother today and it is "oh hello my brother type of relationship". Their history, lineage and culture is intertwined. So this notion that of course the persians are the bad guys because it is through the eyes of a greek would have even been weird to greeks. The war was a small blip on the diagram of centuries of peace and prosperity between them. Macedonians started their own war much later on, but that was not the greek states.

The problem is not that they have persians in a game who are bad guys, the problem is how they pretend they are depicting actual historical events, but then change the entire fact into the opposite. An example would be if a movie was made to portray the Naziz as the good guys and russians and americans as the bad guys, pretending like this is what actually happened historically, but then deflect saying it has science fiction elements.

Not everyone is like you. Most if not all people, specially the youth will watch and play these games and think this is actual history, this incessant notion that "Persians/Iranians equals bad guys". It does mess with peoples notion of an entire group. Oh and before you say, "naaah come one they won't, no one is that dumb", may I remind you of the flat earth movement and that it is growing stronger every day..

There is simply no reason to demonize persians or their historical kings in this way, or any culture for that matter. These were actual kings, people who abolished slavery around 3000 years ago and wrote in law the first known human rights act. What's next, Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King as the evil last bosses?

[Voland]

yet again topic about how they dare to make such awesome "300/odyssey" so historically innacurate. whew!