siding with Sparta or Athens

[Silent Creed]

I'm confused with the situation about picking sides. So if I wanted to side with Sparta and they have control for a particular area, am I suppose to leave their territories alone so I don't weaken their foothold in that territory? or is picking a side purely on the main story line questline?

Do I become "friendly" with them at some point, so they don't attack me when entering their base?

[Darth Revan]

you can weaken spartan territories too even if you want to support them, when they are weak enought you just can give them the full controle with the full power over the region back by fightin the battle for the defender side.

[AC Denton]

Originally posted by ThePerfectTen:

Do I become "friendly" with them at some point, so they don't attack me when entering their base?

+1, I saved them, helped them and took over a territoy with them, along with you being spartan and your father being the wolf yet they still attack me on sight.

[Cyart]

from what i can tell is that you are only a mercenary that can fight both sides, but if you want to only fight with Sparta or Athens thats a player personal choice and it does not have an impact on the story / rest of the game

you are basically neutral to both and an enemy to both when entering their camps / forts

[Tiberius Lacedaemon]

Look, they've failed on this feature.

You don't SIDE with anyone. You CHOOSE to AID either Sparta or Athens.

Which means, yes, if you SUPPORT Sparta and you don't want them to lose any nation power, then you simply don't do the locations on that said area. That is, unfortunately, a major flaw that a company like Ubisoft did not think about.

I, however, still explore them, but don't do any of the objectives, not even killing a soldier of that faction.

You don't become friends, friendly or any of that ♥♥♥♥. You simply have the freedom of choice, NOTHING ELSE.

They really jumped the ball on this.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Tiberius Lacedaemon:

Look, they've failed on this feature.

You don't SIDE with anyone. You CHOOSE to AID either Sparta or Athens.

Which means, yes, if you SUPPORT Sparta and you don't want them to lose any nation power, then you simply don't do the locations on that said area. That is, unfortunately, a major flaw that a company like Ubisoft did not think about.

I, however, still explore them, but don't do any of the objectives, not even killing a soldier of that faction.

You don't become friends, friendly or any of that ♥♥♥♥. You simply have the freedom of choice, NOTHING ELSE.

They really jumped the ball on this.

how is that a fail? you are a mercenary, you fight for whoever pays you. That was a problem with mercenaries since mercenaries exists, you cant trust them and if your enemie pais them more they often switched sides.

[Lord Gonzo]

The problem, it seems, that most people run into is that they approach the game as if they are meant to choose between Sparta or Athens. This game is not supposed to be a "Pick a side and try for victory" game.

Don't just look at one game mechanic at a time, you have to take ALL the mechanics at once. When you get to each "zone", either Athens or Sparta will be in control of it. If Athens is in control, then the side quests are going to be mostly Spartan. Wanting you to atack Athenian forts, and weaken Athens power. If the Teritory is controled by Athens, then the reverse will be true. It will be Athens paying you to weaken Spartian control.

This is where the Bounty System works in. It doesn't matter if you kill a Spartain or an Athenian, you'll be helping which ever side Seeks power or you'll be getting a bounty placed on you.

The only real decision you must make, in the final battle of that region, is if you want the better of the two item rewards for helping to pull a victory for the attacking side.

In the final battle, whether you help attack, or help defend only really decide which item reward you get. Attacking is the "tougher" choice, thus the better of the two items. But you can choose either attack or defend no matter what you did in that region up to that point.

If Sparta controls an area, and you do all the missions to weaken Sparta's hold, you can still choose to defend sparta and take the lesser item. Or you can choose to help atens defeat sparta, and take the better item. And when you leave that area, once you do what you need to remove your bounty, the next spartain controlled area you enter you will once again be merely a neutral mercenary.

In this game you take on the roll of a Mercenary. If you want to experience the full game, then play that role. Be a mercenary. You're not "loyal" to Sparta, you're not "loyal" to Atens. You're only "loyal" to which ever side is paying you at that particular moment. And you're only "loyal" to them while the coin flows. Once it stops, your "loyalty" is back on the market.

[cjwasright]

I wish there was a faction "favor" system with its own perks and rewards attached to it. For example siding with Sparta will get you new crewmen, lieutenants, and modify your combat abilities, while siding with Athens might help you find treasure, improve your utility skills and deal with cultists. Siding with one over the other however, would automatically make the other side hostile to you, preventing certain quests or contracts. The player would then be given a motive to either side with Sparta or Athens, or with neither to get the maximum financial reward.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by cjwasright:

I wish there was a faction "favor" system with its own perks and rewards attached to it. For example siding with Sparta will get you new crewmen, lieutenants, and modify your combat abilities, while siding with Athens might help you find treasure, improve your utility skills and deal with cultists. Siding with one over the other however, would automatically make the other side hostile to you, preventing certain quests or contracts. The player would then be given a motive to either side with Sparta or Athens, or with neither to get the maximum financial reward.

well, that would make the main story impossible to complete. And because AC games usually do not change historical outcomes you always would be on the war loosing side with Athen regardless what you do.

And that siding with athen would help you to deal with the cultists would not make much sense in my opinion.

And although sparta won the war at the end the traditional naval citystate of greece was athen historically so it would make more sense for athen to get you new crewmen or lieutenants but it would make sense with both of them regardelss.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

well, that would make the main story impossible to complete. And because AC games usually do not change historical outcomes you always would be on the war loosing side with Athen regardless what you do.

Also this game is set in 431 BC, that is just the beginning of the war who lasted nearly 30 years.
Just another reason why its impossible for your character to really influence anything.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

well, that would make the main story impossible to complete. And because AC games usually do not change historical outcomes you always would be on the war loosing side with Athen regardless what you do.

Also this game is set in 431 BC, that is just the beginning of the war who lasted nearly 30 years.
Just another reason why its impossible for your character to really influence anything.

indeed.

[Naijiro]

Originally posted by Tiberius Lacedaemon:

Look, they've failed on this feature.

You don't SIDE with anyone. You CHOOSE to AID either Sparta or Athens.

Which means, yes, if you SUPPORT Sparta and you don't want them to lose any nation power, then you simply don't do the locations on that said area. That is, unfortunately, a major flaw that a company like Ubisoft did not think about.

I, however, still explore them, but don't do any of the objectives, not even killing a soldier of that faction.

You don't become friends, friendly or any of that ♥♥♥♥. You simply have the freedom of choice, NOTHING ELSE.

They really jumped the ball on this.

I don't see it as a fail if I had to guess it seems like they didn't want to lock players into one side or another so they made it so you can only aid them since in reality you're only Merc.

If you really wanna join a side just change all the islands of one side to the other color so the whole map is red or blue.

Or you can keep doing mission against either side to weaken then defend if the side that's about to topple is a side you support.

Also you do have friends and family characters and live or die based on some of your choices.



I especially like how the side quest give you multiple choices and effect things.

There's a quest very early on with a sick family. If you choose to let then go free the consequences of that action affect alot of the world.

[༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

Originally posted by Ogami:

Also this game is set in 431 BC, that is just the beginning of the war who lasted nearly 30 years.
Just another reason why its impossible for your character to really influence anything.

indeed.

Booooo. Lame excuse to not make a game more interesting.Would have been more interesting to make choices that changed history/

[Naijiro]

Originally posted by Captain_Noob:

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

indeed.

Booooo. Lame excuse to not make a game more interesting.Would have been more interesting to make choices that changed history/

You can make choices that effect the outcome of Kassandra or Alexios journey but just like real life. Most of the choices we make today won't matter 2000 years from now.

[jasonbarron]

Kill them all.

[jasonbarron]

Originally posted by Jaypi3:

Originally posted by Captain_Noob:

Booooo. Lame excuse to not make a game more interesting.Would have been more interesting to make choices that changed history/

You can make choices that effect the outcome of Kassandra or Alexios journey but just like real life. Most of the choices we make today won't matter 2000 years from now.

The choices you make today...will echo throughout eternity!