Greeks were not whites, according to Ubisoft

[Emetann]

Wtf is it with the skin colors. They put black skin on whites...

Not only the message when launching the game about the team belief and origin sounds like someone who tell you "im a good person", yes, if you need to say it, it's because it surely not that true ...But then, you play with greeks(white people) being tanned as a black

Just so you know, skin color has scientifically speaking nothing to do with the sun exposure :

- if blackness was a result of permanent tanning, it would mean that in the beginning, we were all whites, right ? WRONG : whiteness is a mutation that occured 8 000 years ago (only !) in a SINGLE individual who fathered all current white people. It is scientifically proven, and the mutation is traced in date and space (around the Black Sea)

The fact that the rise of a new civ is coincident with massive civilisational changes in that area (Black Sea, middle East), at that time (8 000 years ago), lead us back to the Nazi theory that civilisation began with Aryan, so i get the taboo of the subject but let's just not fall in the idiotic opposite of ignoring facts and science

- if whiteness was a result of permanent de-tanning, then it would mean that it would be a natural response of the environnement, sounds good for your intuition right ? WRONG we saw in the last point that it is a mutation that occured in a single individual in history, that individual beingnot an albinos, as an important note
+ inuits living in arctic circle have dark skin, same as indigenous of Canada

This fragile theory is based on a mere scientifical fact : the vitamin D synthesis is catalysed with the sun, whiter skin allow better sun captation in less sunny environnements, and this is such a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that there have been two scientifical studies specifically made for proving this particular point wrong. Their conclusion is that 15min/day of indirect sunlight is enough for a body to produce vitamin D, and same levels were observed in all kind of skin in high latitudes

As a matter of fact, skin color has nothing to do with sunlight, everyone, from dark to light skin gets damaged by the sun, get sunburnt, and needs to protect himself from exposure. Skin coloris just like hair color, it's just a color, an attribute

The fact that Ubisoft ♥♥♥♥ on that with what end up being a title a lot of people discover a culture with, associating forever pictures to those stories, is a an important point

Just so you know, if ubisoft make a black people, they make it right ...

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by Emetann:

Mujokan,

You quote an article that says
Tishkoff says that her results complicate the traditional evolutionary story of human skin. In this view, humanity began with dark skin in Africa to protect against the harmful effects of the sun’s ultraviolet radiation. As people migrated to other continents, some groups evolved lighter skin, to more effectively produce vitamin D in areas where sunlight is scarce.
And that's exactly what im talking about. This misguidingtheory has been messing with the common people for too long now. It's actually only a journalist thing !

"Lighter" and "darker" skin are words that doesn't mean white skin you know. Black people range from charcoal black to brown, that's huge variation AMONG their pop. Don't get lost through words

As I said, whiteness is a mutation that occured 8000 years ago in a SINGLE individual that fathered all white people, it's true and a topic of enough publications

At last, here is one abstract that states that white people need 15min of indirect sunlight per day to meet vit D requirement, and 25min for darkest ppl :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5946242/

If you make your brain work justa second, that means the skin coloris irrelevant in term of vit D, sunlight, etc, and as i said, the journalist thing messing up with you

Explain then why in Britain darker skinned people are more prone to diseases and deformities linked to insufficient Vitamin D compared to natives. Also light skinned people are far more prone to skin cancers and we can see this in Australia. This is even accepted in the animal world as dogs for example with light skin or light patches of skin are more likley to develop skin cancer via sun exposure to those areas, Huskies are an example of this.

[El Shabs]

Originally posted by Emetann:

Originally posted by EmptyInside:

They aren't black they are just olive skin colored. you know there are different shades of white like italians and irish both white but both look very diffrent

Come to Italy then, if you imagine them as Ubisoft imagine Greeks, then you've been hit by the problem

Italians are whites. Greeks are whites. Now try to find a white in the game

Italians and Greeks are a bit darker than Germans, British, Irish, Danes etc, you guys have a slight olive complexion. Most of Odyssey is set in the outdoors, people used to do hard labour outdoors in the sun, just look at the Greek soccer team or the Italian soccer team during a summer world cup, they look very dark, far darker than the Norwegian team for example. It's the sun making olive skin tones darker

I've always found it pretty easy to tell the difference between a greek/italian person and an anglo saxon/celtic person

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by El Shabs:

Originally posted by Emetann:

Come to Italy then, if you imagine them as Ubisoft imagine Greeks, then you've been hit by the problem

Italians are whites. Greeks are whites. Now try to find a white in the game

Italians and Greeks are a bit darker than Germans, British, Irish, Danes etc, you guys have a slight olive complexion. Most of Odyssey is set in the outdoors, people used to do hard labour outdoors in the sun, just look at the Greek soccer team or the Italian soccer team during a summer world cup, they look very dark, far darker than the Norwegian team for example. It's the sun making olive skin tones darker

I've always found it pretty easy to tell the difference between a greek/italian person and an anglo saxon/celtic person

Eh native British people vary in tone as well, i've seen native Scots darker than Italians and others that are much more pale.

[Mujokan]

Originally posted by Spr1ggan:

Originally posted by Mujokan:

I can tell from the implication that being white started randomly with one guy, then "coincidentally" civilization started in that area where he had the mutation, that the OP must be reading some far-right unscientific crap somewhere. He won't be able to find any good links and he won't be able to admit to where he read it. So that is me getting annoyed and calling him out.

But the far right also believes in the differences you do, just not in the out of Africa theory as there were older remains of what some believe to be a Human ancestor found in Europe. A jaw bone iirc.

Humans started out in Africa, there were all kinds of waves back and forth within Africa, and also out of and back in to Africa. Then later in Europe there are many big waves of migration crossing the continent. It's mixing all the time.

Back when we were hominids with thick hair, we had light skin like chimpanzees do. When we lost that hair we developed darker skin to protect against UV radiation.

Then as we moved north we developed several different genetic variations that made our skin tone lighter again to help with vitamin D absorption. Some of those variations are more common in one place than another but basically skin tone lines up with vitamin D when all is said and done (unless you eat a whole lot of seafood and don't need it, like Inuits).

By 500BC there would have been big variation in skin tone around the Med from pale to very dark as people mixed around with trade and war and conquest over wide areas.

As for whether AC Odyssey gets it historically accurate, I don't know and I don't think it's important.

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by Mujokan:

Originally posted by Spr1ggan:

But the far right also believes in the differences you do, just not in the out of Africa theory as there were older remains of what some believe to be a Human ancestor found in Europe. A jaw bone iirc.

Humans started out in Africa, there were all kinds of waves back and forth within Africa, and also out of and back in to Africa. Then later in Europe there are many big waves of migration crossing the continent. It's mixing all the time.

Back when we were hominids with thick hair, we had light skin like chimpanzees do. When we lost that hair we developed darker skin to protect against UV radiation.

Then as we moved north we developed several different genetic variations that made our skin tone lighter again to help with vitamin D absorption. Some of those variations are more common in one place than another but basically skin tone lines up with vitamin D when all is said and done (unless you eat a whole lot of seafood and don't need it, like Inuits).

By 5000BC there would have been big variation in skin tone around the Med from pale to very dark.

As for whether AC Odyssey gets it historically accurate, I don't know and I don't think it's important.

This whole conversation is depressing and pointless, I'm out bye

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/evolution-europe
https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/oldest-human-fossils-in-western-europe-revealed-to-date-back-a-million-years-/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/europe-birthplace-mankind-not-africa-scientists-find/

[Mujokan]

Originally posted by Spr1ggan:

Originally posted by Mujokan:

Humans started out in Africa, there were all kinds of waves back and forth within Africa, and also out of and back in to Africa. Then later in Europe there are many big waves of migration crossing the continent. It's mixing all the time.

Back when we were hominids with thick hair, we had light skin like chimpanzees do. When we lost that hair we developed darker skin to protect against UV radiation.

Then as we moved north we developed several different genetic variations that made our skin tone lighter again to help with vitamin D absorption. Some of those variations are more common in one place than another but basically skin tone lines up with vitamin D when all is said and done (unless you eat a whole lot of seafood and don't need it, like Inuits).

By 5000BC there would have been big variation in skin tone around the Med from pale to very dark.

As for whether AC Odyssey gets it historically accurate, I don't know and I don't think it's important.

This whole conversation is depressing and pointless, I'm out bye

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/evolution-europe
https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/oldest-human-fossils-in-western-europe-revealed-to-date-back-a-million-years-/

"It is thought that ♥♥♥♥ antecessor was the first human species to make it into Europe. "

So what? Someone had to be the first to migrate there.

From the link you added later.

"Retired anthropologist and author Dr Peter Andrews, formerly at the Natural History Museum in London, said: "It is possible that the human lineage originated in Europe, but very substantial fossil evidence places the origin in Africa, including several partial skeletons and skulls.

"I would be hesitant about using a single character from an isolated fossil to set against the evidence from Africa."

Maybe in the future more evidence will come out. But for the moment the most commonly held theory is Africa. If that changes, it would just mean that the hominid one step earlier came from Africa instead. So it's not really relevant to this discussion.

I have ♥♥♥♥ to do and no more time to wank around on a videogame forum on this topic.

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by Mujokan:

Originally posted by Spr1ggan:

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/evolution-europe
https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/oldest-human-fossils-in-western-europe-revealed-to-date-back-a-million-years-/

"It is thought that ♥♥♥♥ antecessor was the first human species to make it into Europe. "

So what? Someone had to be the first to migrate there.

Was that from second link? Yeah in that one they just assume that if the oldest fossil was in Europe then it means they left Africa earlier than thought. If it's older than the African remains though i'd says it completely challenges the of of Africa theory.

[😎Astran😾]

Originally posted by Mujokan:

Originally posted by Astran:

Black USians need a history too so Ubisoft (and Hollywood) stick them everywhere. Even though actually black people were separated from Egypt / Greece / Middle East / Europe by giants deserts and the lack of ships capable of ocean navigation till ~14th century.

Also ancient (and couple modern) societies were distinctively racist / nationalist since it was considered a good thing.

That's ridiculous, Egypt had a Sudanese dynasty before 700BC.

I mean, we evolved in Africa, are you saying we couldn't get out until the 14th century?

Edit: really detailed post arguing the original Egyptians were black: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-fair-to-say-that-ancient-Egypt-was-an-East-African-civilization-since-that-is-where-North-Africans-came-from-in-early-antiquity

Yup, sure, check out hundreds Fayum Egyptian portraits - everyone is black on them... Just kidding, not even a single distinctively African face. All of them look Semitic.

[Mujokan]

Originally posted by Astran:

Originally posted by Mujokan:

That's ridiculous, Egypt had a Sudanese dynasty before 700BC.

I mean, we evolved in Africa, are you saying we couldn't get out until the 14th century?

Edit: really detailed post arguing the original Egyptians were black: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-fair-to-say-that-ancient-Egypt-was-an-East-African-civilization-since-that-is-where-North-Africans-came-from-in-early-antiquity

Yup, sure, check out hundreds Fayum Egyptian portraits - everyone is black on them... Just kidding, not even a single distinctively African face. All of them look Semitic.

That's from several thousand years later.

[Tr0w]

@OP What is interesting though is that with Origins they made the Greeks pale white when it came to Greece "oppressing" Egypt, but when they have to show Greece in a more positive light with Odyssey they make the Greeks a lot darker.

[Barboss]

the game is historically inaccurate lie.

[Perseus son of Zeus]

In the island on the south or the outer ring of the Agean sea of the Greek there are tanned and even black mix with the Greek the tanned some are from Anatolia and Africa and due to the Greek that they are the very first explorer and set colony around the Mediterranean [ EARLY BRONCE AGE TO LATE BRONZE AGE ] they are quite mix as i had study well i think you are quite wrong because the location of Greek is quite colorful specially in the south as i told you.... well if you see a blackman or tanned european in the west of europe or at Britain or in Scandinavia then that must be weird but this is ''GREECE''...

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by Chevalier.w1980:

In the island on the south or the outer ring of the Agean sea of the Greek there are tanned and even black mix with the Greek the tanned some are from Anatolia and Africa and due to the Greek that they are the very first explorer and set colony around the Mediterranean [ EARLY BRONCE AGE TO LATE BRONZE AGE ] they are quite mix as i had study well i think you are quite wrong because the location of Greek is quite colorful specially in the south as i told you.... well if you see a blackman or tanned european in the west of europe or at Britain or in Scandinavia then that must be weird but this is ''GREECE''...

What are you on about, Greeks were not the first explorers and seeing tanned people in Northern Europe is not odd, a lot of us tan naturally when it's sunny or are naturally swarthy in complexion. Having a tan does not mean you are mixed. I don't even...

[Bakinda]

Arguing about skin color when they also have abundant female mercenaries and soldiers - what a joke

The game is catering to SJWs for the sake of being inclusive, history and fact be damned. Just take it for what it is. If people have to change history in a game to make fragile little snowflakes feel better about themselves, so be it.

[Mujokan]

I actually looked around Pilgrim's Landing zooming in with the photo mode, and most people have blue or gray or hazel eyes, light brown hair is more common than dark and there are blonds. Take a look yourself if you don't believe me. Snowflakes got triggered by some skin being too tanned -- so rare for Greece lol