Pay to win

[ice]

Is this game still pay to win ? It is not gonna do well with todays community on steam if you still have to buy purified fusion stones from the cash shop to stat your gear. Especially with the people buying diamonds setting the price as high as they want depending on how many people are buying them. I know cause I used to be one of them (sorry), people don't want to have to farm millions of gold just to stat 1 set of lvl 50 gear and then do it every 10 ♥♥♥♥♥♥ levels . Cash shop needs to be mostly quality of life stuff, you can still have items in there for people who don't want to spend time questing them like purified fusion stones but there needs to be an alternative way of getting them other wise the game is pay to win and will ruin it for most. Thoughts?

[Mihovski]

I did not. But i bought it. It cost me around 40kk(with improvements). I were 64 level when using it. Here's a picture: http://oi65 . tinypic . com/v47bqf . jpg

It's not a good sword but it helped so much.

As you can see im not powerful. No wing, no statted cape but still can take out some powerful creatures and able to help clan fights.

Btw i earned that money. I bought no dias or etc.

[ice]

Originally posted by Mihovski:

Well, i played this game to 70 lvl without spending any money. You just need helpful clan.

I mean you can play to 70 without spending money if you dirty stat dungeon gear that your clan gets you but you cant pvp with it or solo any dungeon thats not like 30 levels below you. You will absolutely get stomped in pvp without clean stated gear like it wont even be close. Also into the 90's it gets pretty hard to do some of your quests without stated gear . I think puri stones needed to stat your gear are 19 diamonds each and you need 6 just to put 6 t4 stones on your gear I believe. I am not sure of the current Tier range for pvp gear but when I left it was around 8-10 so it is prolly higher now most people are selling diamonds for 110,000 per diamond which comes out to 2 million per stone so if it was t8 gear and to get your tiers that high you gotta farm or buy clean gear puri the stone twice and then fusion it with the stat to make a higher tier. do that enough times to get a t8 stone 6 times costs a lot of puris and alot of diamonds or millions of $. You can get 1 puri stone every 4 days of dailies but just to stat set of gear would take you forever without buying them. Just to put it in perspective you could pay to play WoW for 20 years and still pay less then then upgrading your armor 5 times just with puries.You also need to buy a stone to clear the stats off the armor you are gonna tier .. then if you want to + them . Honestly everything can stay in the cash shop as is except puries and it would make the game 100x better then it is and would prolly keep more people. That is how it used to be anyway not sure what all has changed. Also left this out .. but dirty starting relevant dungeon gear that your clan gets you is a bad idea if you plan on selling it later you also need to buy advanced bind lifters if you plan on selling it from the cash shop so more money lol.

[Mihovski]

You're right most of these. I got pretty stomped to do this sword :D. Puris, tiers and etc. I just try to say you can do something without money. Dirty statting is bad but helps you in easy or normal diff dungeons. I earned my money with this method. Btw i spent 32 days to have this sword. Its very long time and i cursed a lot :D But my clan helped so much so i kept going.

I'm trying to say yes this game has pay to win elements. You need to pay money(Which is your bind lifter example) But you can still enjoy the game because this game's community is not cancer.(Well, most of these :D)

All "f2p" games have p2w elements because of "big" publishers. So i think we shouldn't upset staffs. They are not responsible for this.

And if i did some grammar mistakes, im sorry about that. English is not my native language. This is my opinion ofc. You can say what you want. Cheers :)

[Angoril]

Originally posted by Error0x00005:

What would it likely "Cost" real money US to get geared up at whatever level WE would need it?

Last time I played was a couple of years ago. A few months before I quit, I spent 80 euros in the game to buy diamonds (the premium currency) during a promotion that had them at only half the regular price. I sold almost all of them in game and that gave me enough gold to... buy 1 finished weapon and almost finish a piece of gear (you have 13-14 in total if not mistaken, weapons excluded). Before I quit the game for good, the prices, at least on the server I was playing, were even higher.

Things may have changed but I honestly doubt it so, if you don't have A LOT of time and patience to farm the same dungeon over and over and over again in order to get gold, or really deep pockets, you're better off looking elsewhere. A monthly sub game is cheaper than RoM.

[ice]

So right now there is only 1 NA server and buying diamonds in game currently goes for 110,000 gold per diamond so 1 puri stone is 19 diamonds which is 2 million gold and you need a ♥♥♥♥ ton of puris to clean stat your get at tier 8-10 + diamonds currently are 50$ for 3300 give or take. Things like advanced binders are 99 diamonds which are needed to unbind gear to sell it . This game requires so much money to stay relevant its actually its downfall .. hence why its down to 1 na server. It is a great game but unless it gets passed this issues .. its just gonna dwindle down till there is not enough people left playing to cover the cost of paying for the server. Bringing it to steam is not gonna help much it might bring some new eyes or old eyes back to play till they get tot he point of having to put in a ♥♥♥♥ ton of money to pimp out your gear then they will most likely bail again. I am currently back playing it but am still debating if I want to keep playing my current gear is lvl 85 gear fully statted but if I want that new dungeon gear I am gonna have to pay real money to unbind my gear .. then alot of real money to pimp out my new gear. Weapons aren't too bad if you arent statting them most people just dirty tier their weapons for the damage unless you got money to burn then you could stat tier it .I might just ♥♥♥♥ around in this game till vanilla wow comes out way cheaper and no memory leaks.

[ice]

oh yeah forgot you also need a ass ton of trans charges just to tier all those times which again also costs real money. I would 100% prefere pay to play and have this stuff available from npcs then in the cash shop .

[Exedrax]

You can get t12 weapon, without pay. +16 is reacheable without pay, hard but posible. For this, is needed to have more alters and take care of annual events. Uses more time, and in just moments, or pay. It is the rule.

By other way, you can reach to lvl 100 without pay by quest. By exp, you can easily until 50-60, carried by lategame player. I think they must add new zone for 50-70, because it become hard to lvling or fix the experience curve.

You can wait for 3x or 2x quest exp event for get 3-2 classes at 100 with quest, but you will do slowly and in specific dates, some times at imposible times for self.

The good things of the game are: the Writing of Stories (overall Kalume's arc and Morrock's arc), Class Combo System (66x class combos: https://runesofmagic.gamepedia.com/Class_Combo_Table ) and Siege War (SW, guild war). The rest is farm and social.

Who work, or have money, pay the game. This type of free to play is it.
Nothing is sustained with aire. But economic models can be improved, and dipend of population/users. For example, LoL can affort what it has bucause of inputs.

[Exedrax]

Originally posted by Tidepod <33333 Miranda:

So right now there is only 1 NA server and buying diamonds in game currently goes for 110,000 gold per diamond so 1 puri stone is 19 diamonds which is 2 million gold and you need a ♥♥♥♥ ton of puris to clean stat your get at tier 8-10 + diamonds currently are 50$ for 3300 give or take. Things like advanced binders are 99 diamonds which are needed to unbind gear to sell it . This game requires so much money to stay relevant its actually its downfall .. hence why its down to 1 na server. It is a great game but unless it gets passed this issues .. its just gonna dwindle down till there is not enough people left playing to cover the cost of paying for the server. Bringing it to steam is not gonna help much it might bring some new eyes or old eyes back to play till they get tot he point of having to put in a ♥♥♥♥ ton of money to pimp out your gear then they will most likely bail again. I am currently back playing it but am still debating if I want to keep playing my current gear is lvl 85 gear fully statted but if I want that new dungeon gear I am gonna have to pay real money to unbind my gear .. then alot of real money to pimp out my new gear. Weapons aren't too bad if you arent statting them most people just dirty tier their weapons for the damage unless you got money to burn then you could stat tier it .I might just ♥♥♥♥ around in this game till vanilla wow comes out way cheaper and no memory leaks.

At lvl 100 dilies quests of one day give around 2kk of gold.
Each 4 days, you can buy a puri with daily quest rewards (with no diamond usage).
There is some things that you can farm for trade for gold.

My recomendation, is it: "start worrying about gear at lvl 100" you only need to stat wings, and some companions to help you at quest and Gobling Mine (GM). xD
If you want Tier your weapon to t9 or t10 (dirty, weapons always dirty) ask for it at global channels. Vidar if EU server.
.

[ice]

This is all true from what I am hearing in game , weapons you dirty tier stat for damage not stats . I knew this was possible but still gear costs hundreds apon 100's of puris. so you can't dungeon or pvp till end game if you pay money or farm billions of gold to buy diamonds from somebody to stat your gear . T_T

[Kurias]

Ok yea runes of magic is Pay to Win but that's not true that there's no other way for you to obtain Stones that they have... That's why many free to play players have ALTS , with Phirius Token Points you can buy Puri stones , upgrades , drillers and so on … all it requires is for you to find nice and fast dailies that will take almost no time to do and once you complete them on all of your alts you're free to do what ever you want.

[Blackwall]

Or, as some wise Goblin once said, "Time is money, friend."

[Charliebrownau [HIGH]]

Yes its pay2win
Its been like this for 10 years
and from what Ive seen they REFUSE TO CHANGE

[Charliebrownau [HIGH]]

My suggestion would be
Dont buy Diamonds with real money

Use the EU NPC to covert in game gold to diamonds

[Kind.]

IT NOT PAY TO WIN.
IT FREE TO PLAY TO WIN.

DIA NPC? PSSSHT.
MY PET SOLO TOSH HM UNBUFF.
HE NOT USE DIA! HE USE MILLER'S!