Banshee ultimate party

[sandman25dcsss]

I was really impressed by Banshee so I tried a pure magic party, this time on GAW as it looked powerful enough for relaxed game.
Initially I took Lich, Unfrozen, Wraith, Banshee. Soon I realized Wraith can't train magic attack so it is not good in the long run, so I replaced it with Widow:
Lich, Unfrozen, Banshee, Widow. On level 22 I realized Lich does nothing, but shoots for tiny damage (single target) so I replaced it with Blood Phantasm:
Blood Phantasm, Unfrozen, Banshee, Black Widow. This is when fun started.
1) Black Widow moves someone in 1st-3rd position to first position, applying 2 debuffs.
2) Unfrozen applies 2 more debuffs, one of them is +30% damage
3) Blood Phantasm with Tongue uses attack which deals extra damage for every debuff (with Fate on last floor as those monsters have too high HP)
4) Banshee stuns 2 enemies.
In fights vs enemies with multiple attacks like Berserker, Living Armor or Geomancer I just put Mark of Vengeance on Widow so the enemies died to passive counterattack.
Basically I reliably disabled 3 enemies during first turn and then disabled everyone on 2
Items:
1) Phantasm - Tongue and Lantern of Souls
2) Unfrozen - class item and vampirism
3) Banshee - class item and Spider Mandibles
4) Widow - Jester's Visage and -25% damage from elite.
I had 2 rage items during whole game earning 22 rage per turn. No mana items dropped so I had to use Banshee to get some mana. For instance, in the final fight I got mana back to 100:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3087526013
Banshee can have nice magic attack:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3087527101

[MasterBLB]

It's my Fiery Machinegun Maiden team, without the maiden itself, but with more control twist thanks to Banshee. It is very good, however if you really want to unleash offensive and support potential of Banshee try the team #9 from my guide
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2951207760

I wonder though how is was possible to:

Originally posted by sandman25dcsss:

3) Blood Phantasm with Tongue uses attack which deals extra damage for every debuff (with Fate on last floor as those monsters have too high HP)

maybe you mean those big enemies taking two slots? Because I can't think of any ordinary, not immune to debuffs enemy who was able to endure Phantasm's chain hit.

[sandman25dcsss]

Originally posted by MasterBLB:

It's my Fiery Machinegun Maiden team, without the maiden itself, but with more control twist thanks to Banshee. It is very good, however if you really want to unleash offensive and support potential of Banshee try the team #9 from my guide

I considered Zombie, but they felt too weak without Lich boost. Probably I should try the team indeed as basically I don't understand how it works.

maybe you mean those big enemies taking two slots? Because I can't think of any ordinary, not immune to debuffs enemy who was able to endure Phantasm's chain hit.

No, I meant normal enemies. But you are right, I forgot to multiply by 1.3. Yet, I had many situations when enemies survived, this is why I started using Fate. Prediction was like 92 + 42 for each buff/debuff, with 4 debuffs it is about 260, multiplied by 1.3 and it becomes 330 while there are enemies like Hoplite (350-390 HP) and Healer (390-410 HP).

[sandman25dcsss]

Playing 3 zombies and banshee, seems fun indeed. Yet I was unlucky to kill Mistress during second turn, 3 random attacks in a row hit her, had to exit to menu :)
I guess I will need to use direct attacks here

[MasterBLB]

Originally posted by sandman25dcsss:

Yet I was unlucky to kill Mistress during second turn, 3 random attacks in a row hit her, had to exit to menu :)
I guess I will need to use direct attacks here

Oh man, you're crazy brave to even try bombardment in this fight. I would not dare ;P

[sandman25dcsss]

Originally posted by MasterBLB:

Oh man, you're crazy brave to even try bombardment in this fight. I would not dare ;P

It would be too slow otherwise, the team is hard indeed (on GAW). I wonder why we have a Zombie in first position, it has low defense and no damage. Just for roleplaying? :)
Skeleton with stress stance would be great as it would remove wards by retaliation and would shield someone.

[MasterBLB]

Originally posted by sandman25dcsss:

It would be too slow otherwise, the team is hard indeed (on GAW). I wonder why we have a Zombie in first position, it has low defense and no damage. Just for roleplaying? :)
Skeleton with stress stance would be great as it would remove wards by retaliation and would shield someone.

Because these teams, at core design, are meant to be usable without any minions which require unlocking. You can replace the front Zombie with ex. Reaper if you wish, although as you probably noticed this frontliner Zombie causes really strong ignitions.

Also I haven't tried it on GAW.

[sandman25dcsss]

I think another Banshee or Shade might work too.

[MasterBLB]

Another Banshee on 1st position - looks okay at 1st glance, however it might be problematic to generate enough wrath for both, and she can't use Soprano at that position to remove wards.

[sandman25dcsss]

Originally posted by MasterBLB:

Another Banshee on 1st position - looks okay at 1st glance, however it might be problematic to generate enough wrath for both, and she can't use Soprano at that position to remove wards.

Early game one Banshee uses buff for +14 attack, another uses ultimate or removes stance/buffs. Late game one Banshee uses Soprano, another uses ultimate. So far my front Zombie just uses defemce stance every turn and barely survives.

[MasterBLB]

Originally posted by sandman25dcsss:

Early game one Banshee uses buff for +14 attack, another uses ultimate or removes stance/buffs. Late game one Banshee uses Soprano, another uses ultimate. So far my front Zombie just uses defense stance every turn and barely survives.

You can play like that, but you missing core interaction between Banshee's Deafening Wail and Zombies' bombardment stance - point is they don't wear off the bonus as long as they use no other skill than bombardment, so it's highly recommended to use Deafening Wail before mortar salvo strikes.

But then, once buff has been cast, wards are down, the Banshee on 1st position doesn't really have anything to do. The best I can imagine is both Banshee can alternate between casting Deafening Wail + Shattering Howl so the one which used ultimate does that with +14 extra power. Another interaction is to push out someone from 1st or 2nd position so other Banshee could freeze a foe on former position 3, but it is random where the enemy will be moved to.

And ofc, you can make Banshee evasion tank with 2nd Slipper/Lantern of Souls + jester's Visage, but she is not as good at it as Shade or Wraith.

[sandman25dcsss]

Originally posted by MasterBLB:

Originally posted by sandman25dcsss:

Early game one Banshee uses buff for +14 attack, another uses ultimate or removes stance/buffs. Late game one Banshee uses Soprano, another uses ultimate. So far my front Zombie just uses defense stance every turn and barely survives.

You can play like that, but you missing core interaction between Banshee's Deafening Wail and Zombies' bombardment stance - point is they don't wear off the bonus as long as they use no other skill than bombardment, so it's highly recommended to use Deafening Wail before mortar salvo strikes.

But then, once buff has been cast, wards are down, the Banshee on 1st position doesn't really have anything to do. The best I can imagine is both Banshee can alternate between casting Deafening Wail + Shattering Howl so the one which used ultimate does that with +14 extra power. Another interaction is to push out someone from 1st or 2nd position so other Banshee could freeze a foe on former position 3, but it is random where the enemy will be moved to.

And ofc, you can make Banshee evasion tank with 2nd Slipper/Lantern of Souls + jester's Visage, but she is not as good at it as Shade or Wraith.

Of course I meant late game with its multiple wards, soprano is not needed ealy game. If there are no wards, second Banshee can buff backline Zombies, 112 extra damage is not meaningless, this is more than the front Zombie can do. Front Zombie does not bombard, it has a weak attack instead. Even double burn is not that great because other Zombies will kill those burning enemies before burning does any damage to them. I had already lost a banshee and had to use 5 zombies instead of 3 early game (cycling them for healing), front zombie makes the banshee vulnerable too.

I have a jester's visage. but I can't use it on any unit, Banshee barely survives on second floor.

[MasterBLB]

Hmm, it also may be that the team Zombie, Zombie, Banshee, Zombie is simply not good enough for GAW.

[sandman25dcsss]

Originally posted by MasterBLB:

Hmm, it also may be that the team Zombie, Zombie, Banshee, Zombie is simply not good enough for GAW.

If I lose the front Zombie, I will replace it with another type.

As I learned hard way after skipping all cultists so far (lol, shows how careful player I am), sacrificing Zombie gives class item for Banshee so losing Banshee is not a big deal.

I bought Inkulnati game yesterday (it was in bundle with Iratus at 64% discount, great price) so I will take a break from Iratus for a while.

[MasterBLB]

I've played Inkulinati demo a year or so ago, very good game indeed, with somewhat inconvenient UI/UIX. Have fun mate, I'm going to finish GAW run with the team 2x Bride, Skeleton, Werewolf, and maybe update the strategy with some vids. So far(yesterday I defeated dwarven mech bros) so good.

[sandman25dcsss]

Good luck! Have fun too!