Best Teams?

[ZoroTheBold]

I'm struggling to finish More Pain, I'm not very good at the game I already know this. Could anyone suggest some teams for me to try to use? So far I've just been using what works best for me which is Lich, Wife, Blood Phantom, Head Hunter

[Storm]

Banshee - Shade - Vampire - Dark Knight.
Simple drive the enemy to insanity while the vamps gets buffed and the shade making the finishing kill.

Made a video on how to play it while facing a squad of elite dwarves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaECG0Te7Mo&t=124s

[Zhein]

Vampire is an obvious choice. Take "Fate" in the magic tree for huge crits.
DK makes a decent tank. Not the best, ult costs too much to regen safely. But since you don't have a Black Widow, it does the job.
Shade gives mana regen and has self regen if you upgrade it for that.
But I would put the lich on the last slot, +18 damage is solid on your vampire, especially with better crits, crit item and Fate.

[ZoroTheBold]

@Zhein I just tried your team and got absolutely shredded, is there something I should have done differently? The shade went down almost instantly followed by the lich. The vampire missed all her swings and the dark knight did almost 0 damage. I don't know if I have bad luck or I'm just bad. Edit. Was fighting a Human Barbarian, Elf Ranger, Elite Crossbowman, and the mana theif one.

[Rilgar55]

I ended more pain with knight , skeleton, lost soul and bride. Skeleton buffing armor makes damage vs your team pointless once you get the 3 stacks and makes your knight hit harder if you pick his damage to scale with armor (that was my party vs the second and third boss).

[ZoroTheBold]

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I ended more pain with knight , skeleton, lost soul and bride. Skeleton buffing armor makes damage vs your team pointless once you get the 3 stacks and makes your knight hit harder if you pick his damage to scale with armor (that was my party vs the second and third boss).

I'll try that, I am struggling so hard with the humans right now. It seems like anytime I send out any team they avoid the tanks and shred everything else before I get a chance to buff. Thank you!

[Victor_Hugo]

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I ended more pain with knight , skeleton, lost soul and bride. Skeleton buffing armor makes damage vs your team pointless once you get the 3 stacks and makes your knight hit harder if you pick his damage to scale with armor (that was my party vs the second and third boss).

How many deaths (roughly) per area did you have with this type of team when you succeeded in 'more pain' difficulty?

[Rilgar55]

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I ended more pain with knight , skeleton, lost soul and bride. Skeleton buffing armor makes damage vs your team pointless once you get the 3 stacks and makes your knight hit harder if you pick his damage to scale with armor (that was my party vs the second and third boss).

How many deaths (roughly) per area did you have with this type of team when you succeeded in 'more pain' difficulty?

Cant really remember, that was my team for the bosses, i had more minions for the regular combats while thus team recovered. Sometimes i just sent some suicide squad to weaken a difficult enemy team then send in the real deal.

[bunker]

with lost soul banshee skeleton vampire i did lvl 4 of Endless Rise ... and any pb w More Pain !

[jwolfe]

I just got through More Pain with 2x Banshees, Wraith and Dark Knight. I haven't even bothered trying to conventionally kill the floor two and three bosses, just drain sanity and cause them heart attacks. Banshee's shuffle/debuff, No! or the attack debuff+stress, the Wraith uses the 3 person curse or his ult and the DK tank/uses his stress on debuff stance (which procs off the Wraith's curse attack). This build was helped by the fact that I picked up the Hook artifact where an enemy takes 5 stress and health damage when moving.

The only time I really did a health damage based party past the first floor was when I ran into a trio of golems.

[Zhein]

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@Zhein I just tried your team and got absolutely shredded, is there something I should have done differently? The shade went down almost instantly followed by the lich. The vampire missed all her swings and the dark knight did almost 0 damage. I don't know if I have bad luck or I'm just bad. Edit. Was fighting a Human Barbarian, Elf Ranger, Elite Crossbowman, and the mana theif one.

A little late to the party, sorry.

Do you keep using "Fate" every turn ? Did you get enough accuracy on the vampire via purple parts ?

The DK does 0 damage, but he tanks, and he's here just for that (until you have a better tank)
The vampire should just kill absolutely everything ,especially with the lich buff + fate. Now he could miss, yes, but check his accuracy, and try to improve it with purple parts if you can.

Now shade is squishy that's why I built it for mana+health regen in order to have some staying power. But even in case of death that's not really critical, just summon a skelly with the lich, the shade is just here for mana regen anyway and doesn't require purple parts (even if it's nice to have some tanking parts for the shade in order to keep it in the fight instead of dying)

If you kept missing that's probably a streak of bad luck

[Blastom]

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@Zhein I just tried your team and got absolutely shredded, is there something I should have done differently? The shade went down almost instantly followed by the lich. The vampire missed all her swings and the dark knight did almost 0 damage. I don't know if I have bad luck or I'm just bad. Edit. Was fighting a Human Barbarian, Elf Ranger, Elite Crossbowman, and the mana theif one.

A little late to the party, sorry.

Do you keep using "Fate" every turn ? Did you get enough accuracy on the vampire via purple parts ?

The DK does 0 damage, but he tanks, and he's here just for that (until you have a better tank)
The vampire should just kill absolutely everything ,especially with the lich buff + fate. Now he could miss, yes, but check his accuracy, and try to improve it with purple parts if you can.

Now shade is squishy that's why I built it for mana+health regen in order to have some staying power. But even in case of death that's not really critical, just summon a skelly with the lich, the shade is just here for mana regen anyway and doesn't require purple parts (even if it's nice to have some tanking parts for the shade in order to keep it in the fight instead of dying)

If you kept missing that's probably a streak of bad luck

DK is accurately a stress machine with help from banshee or other stress buffer. His damage is just meh, but he has a high percentage amplifier on stress attacks. With help from some other shuffler, he can be a stress overwatcher as well. And he tanks and heals like crazy.
Shade is something works with damage-stress hybrid team or evasion based team. His pencentage-damaging cloud works great with shuffling team as well, especially against boss or other heavy tanks. Shade himself has a good block/ward and good evasion, combine with his blind and other evasion buffs, he's not really squishy unless bad luck into several crit hits that bypass his block/ward. But this won't happen in the beta version.
Lich summon and heal is quite imba to me, in older version. Haven't tried in the beta yet, though.

[Ichthyic]

"I just got through More Pain with 2x Banshees, Wraith and Dark Knight."

I tried this out and it is indeed a very simple and effective strategy. you can make up for physical damage by swapping out dread leveled knights and wraiths with attack based ones, and use your own skills to assist. clever use of alchemy helps as well.

I might suggest leveling a physical attack base mummy and rotating that in for the backliner banshee or the wraith when you get access. has a number of synergies with this strategy, and also can remove debuffs, is very tanky, and has a physical attack which manipulates enemy positions.

80% of the fights can be won with just the original party comp though.

[bunker]

i did beta 170.10 EH lvl 5 w ghoul shade shade shade (check my screenshot)

[Ichthyic]

just loaded up the beta now. wow, so much is different!

[Mngwa]

I just finished More Pain difficulty and DLC with Wraith / Shade / Fallen Dhampir / Werewolf. So far best team, but since it is stress oriented I had physical party aside too for encounters with golems, machines and such. That was Headhunter / Headhunter / Fallen Dhampir / Werewolf.