Tips for xbox controller user

[NatenSinter]

i need some tips to get better i play in a pc but i use an xbox controller because i dont have a steering wheel so its kinda difficult when i come out of a curve because i cant manage the throttle or brakes correctly someone have some tips?

[jellobiafra]

For the start a detailed thread on the topic:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/805550/discussions/0/3879344844062595156/

[EF_Neo1st]

Tip 1:
Hold the analog stick forward and steeer "just enough" for the turn, not more, not less and if needed hold at thee desired angle with the analog stick.

Tip 2:
Try to learn to be as progressive as you can with brake and throttle on the trigger buttoms at the shoulder, at least 10%, 25%, 50%, 75% and 90%, not only 0%, 50%, 100% brake and throttle

Tip 3:
Try to learn manual shifting, when to upshift and when to downshift (when and why)

Tip 4:
Learn...
Learn the racing line "without using ingame racing line or other car in front"
Learn the braking and turning points without ingame racing line or other car in front
Learn progressive smooth steering (the faster you steer the more the car will either understeer you offtrack or oversteer spin you)
Learn trailbraking and brake management when releasing brakes
Learn throttle managament when returning to throttle
Learn brake and throttle bleending, when and why to apply

Tip 5:
All that alone at Monza, Brands Hatch, Misano (then other tracks) will allow you to be average to fast or even alien depending on how much seat time and understanding you have so take your time, take your crashes and take your mistakes and keep practice trying to learn with everything that you do and others do around you in case you go online

Other than that, yes, go at the topic jellobiafra posted here and check the gamepad configurations thaat fits better for you. It is important too haave a proper configuration so you can control better and apply all that with more precision and smoothness.

[shadow82]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Tip 1:
Hold the analog stick forward and steeer "just enough" for the turn, not more, not less and if needed hold at thee desired angle with the analog stick.

I have seen this recommended a lot, but I would discourage this technique as it asks your fingers and brain to process more than just simply left-right. Develop proper habits from the get go, that you will be able to carry to other games.

Find comfortable controller settings (see link above for how to proceed and maybe have some basic you can try) and develop the precision as such. Any curve or dampening of the steering should be done via the game or steam input, not using some physical limit of your controller. It is also less comfortable for your fingers to always hold up.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by shadow82:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Tip 1:
Hold the analog stick forward and steeer "just enough" for the turn, not more, not less and if needed hold at thee desired angle with the analog stick.

I have seen this recommended a lot, but I would discourage this technique as it asks your fingers and brain to process more than just simply left-right. Develop proper habits from the get go, that you will be able to carry to other games.

Find comfortable controller settings (see link above for how to proceed and maybe have some basic you can try) and develop the precision as such. Any curve or dampening of the steering should be done via the game or steam input, not using some physical limit of your controller. It is also less comfortable for your fingers to always hold up.

When I watch others I can see clearlly who is witht gameepaad without holding the stick forward because of on/off switch steering (and not being able to control the car properly what affects greatly the driving andd the lap times as higher control of the car is required) and it is hard to findd someone using gamepad and not being on/offf input with steering (from what I ask during quali or after race).

As you mentioned, the sooner you get used the better and the sooner OP gets used to something that allow better and smoother control of the car the better, for the most "automatic control" via setting may allow, it will either be too slow or too fast sometimes and you can not change "how fast or slow" it is on the fly unlless you do it yourself with your finger.

[supamaldio]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Tip 1:
Hold the analog stick forward and steeer "just enough" for the turn, not more, not less and if needed hold at thee desired angle with the analog stick.

you don't have to do that

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by supamaldio:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Tip 1:
Hold the analog stick forward and steeer "just enough" for the turn, not more, not less and if needed hold at thee desired angle with the analog stick.

you don't have to do that

Well, yes, "dont have to".
Still . . . well, some "4 years" I dont even bother trying with gamepad, all I know is, the more control you have the better.

[shadow82]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

When I watch others I can see clearlly who is witht gameepaad without holding the stick forward because of on/off switch steering (and not being able to control the car properly what affects greatly the driving andd the lap times as higher control of the car is required) and it is hard to findd someone using gamepad and not being on/offf input with steering (from what I ask during quali or after race).

That's why it is important to tweak the controls and to train your fingers to not have that on/off syndrom. Holding the stick forward just masks lack of proper settings by "simulating" a different gamma and response curve of the stick. It will only get you so far. All of that can be better adjusted elsewhere.

Hence the advices I give around here on that topic, tailoring the sensitivity to your dexterity is of high importance. Also to mention, it is like anything in life : a never ending process, after 2000h in the game I still from time to time adjust my settings. Never forget that human fingers are capable of incredible precision when trained.

But the game default settings are definitely not allowing that and, if untouched, result in that on/off syndrom you observe.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by shadow82:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

When I watch others I can see clearlly who is witht gameepaad without holding the stick forward because of on/off switch steering (and not being able to control the car properly what affects greatly the driving andd the lap times as higher control of the car is required) and it is hard to findd someone using gamepad and not being on/offf input with steering (from what I ask during quali or after race).

That's why it is important to tweak the controls and to train your fingers to not have that on/off syndrom. Holding the stick forward just masks lack of proper settings by "simulating" a different gamma and response curve of the stick. It will only get you so far. All of that can be better adjusted elsewhere.

Hence the advices I give around here on that topic, tailoring the sensitivity to your dexterity is of high importance. Also to mention, it is like anything in life : a never ending process, after 2000h in the game I still from time to time adjust my settings. Never forget that human fingers are capable of incredible precision when trained.

But the game default settings are definitely not allowing that and, if untouched, result in that on/off syndrom you observe.

I know fast gamepad drivers, the faster ones I know also use the "hold stick forward" too and their steering look almost that of a steering wheel (for the most part you would not know they use gamepad).

[Naindurth]

Originally posted by shadow82:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

When I watch others I can see clearlly who is witht gameepaad without holding the stick forward because of on/off switch steering (and not being able to control the car properly what affects greatly the driving andd the lap times as higher control of the car is required) and it is hard to findd someone using gamepad and not being on/offf input with steering (from what I ask during quali or after race).

That's why it is important to tweak the controls and to train your fingers to not have that on/off syndrom. Holding the stick forward just masks lack of proper settings by "simulating" a different gamma and response curve of the stick. It will only get you so far. All of that can be better adjusted elsewhere.

Hence the advices I give around here on that topic, tailoring the sensitivity to your dexterity is of high importance. Also to mention, it is like anything in life : a never ending process, after 2000h in the game I still from time to time adjust my settings. Never forget that human fingers are capable of incredible precision when trained.

But the game default settings are definitely not allowing that and, if untouched, result in that on/off syndrom you observe.

Hey man, thanks to "your settings" I've been able to calm down, and I already got to 85 SA Rating. I think next week I will give the LFM driving license a try.
Though I do "hold stick forward", I can't drive without that lol

[capital punishment]

"i cant manage the throttle or brakes correctly" how can you say that when you have triggers for those....

[shadow82]

Originally posted by capital punishment:

"i cant manage the throttle or brakes correctly" how can you say that when you have triggers for those....

OP is 12 hours in, I do not believe lots of folks are able to get that checked in that short amount of time whatever their hardware. I am still learning how to handle that properly, it is the magic of racing, you never stop to learn. :)

[jellobiafra]

You can also adjust the sensitivity and progression of the throttle and brake in the Steam Controller settings.
That might also help.

[goblueteam]

idk i think the pushing forward of the stick for steering has always been the way i played racing games sense i was a kid with a controller.

idk though i think its kind of a hard game on controller it would probably take me like 50 hours to learn how to drive on a controller after 1700 hours in game on a wheel and probably really took me 50+ hours or longer to be able to get around every track on a steering wheel at pretty bad lap times.

so yea everyone is just going to take a different amount of time to learn or figure things out i would look for peoples controller settings online try youtube/google/reddit.

idk probably a bit to early to worry about but i can only imagine the setup would really effect driving on controller because idk having the steering twitch around so much just really throws the balance of the car around. i would probably run a lot of wing and maybe even lower the rear a little for stability but it can cause under steer as well also not sure if the normal setups you would find really translate to controller driving or not.

i also just assume you know the tires need to be 26.6 give or take a .2 after a couple laps of driving for optimal grip levels also moving the brake bias to the rear a little can really go a long way for control.

[shadow82]

Originally posted by goblueteam:

not sure if the normal setups you would find really translate to controller driving or not.

Been using "normal" setups from different sources (paid and free ones) and they work just fine, as you would expect. The only thing you have to adapt and consider is the steering ratio, which should be adapted for whatever configuration you are using for the controller.

And you have to consider that using proper settings, like the one I provide in that other thread linked above, will reduce greatly steering twitch if not entirely. That impression and feeling usually come from controller settings that are not properly tailored.

Here is an example of someone using a similar approach with a comparison video against wheel :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RzEysD34pk

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by shadow82:

Originally posted by goblueteam:

not sure if the normal setups you would find really translate to controller driving or not.

Been using "normal" setups from different sources (paid and free ones) and they work just fine, as you would expect. The only thing you have to adapt and consider is the steering ratio, which should be adapted for whatever configuration you are using for the controller.

And you have to consider that using proper settings, like the one I provide in that other thread linked above, will reduce greatly steering twitch if not entirely. That impression and feeling usually come from controller settings that are not properly tailored.

Here is an example of someone using a similar approach with a comparison video against wheel :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RzEysD34pk

It is possible to notice it is gamepad input in occasions (wheel twitching too fast and repeatedly to do turns)