Setting your FOV to "realistic" distance is a load of bull.

[trtab]

When I first purchased ACC, I had come from the likes of Project Cars 2, where I had my FOV at 90 and "the sense of speed man bro!!". So at first I did the same with ACC and had it set of 90 degrees. And I recall how great it felt.

But then, since ACC was a "serious" sim for "serious" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ racers, I started digesting the propaganda about setting a realistic FOV to hit those apexes just right. Gradually I found my settings going lower, from 70, to 60, to eventually 45-55 degrees or thereabouts, and have been driving with that setting for several years.

I even found myself making that adjustment in RF2, AMS2, etc.. setting my FOV way too low.

No more! And today I decided, you know what, let me go back to driving for FUN and forget this "realistic FOV" BS. So I set my FOV to 80 degrees (OH MY HOW DARE YOU!!!), turned on motion blur, and took a few laps around Brand's Hatch and Monza. Immediately took seconds off my laps times, but not only that, it FELT FREAKING AWESOME and FUN, as the pavement and static objects whipped by at speed!

For the record, I drive on a single 27 inch screen, so triple monitor users will feel differently of course and require a lower FOV. But for me, this is the ticket. A larger FOV allows me to know intuitively when to brake, using the sense of speed, it also provides sense of peripheral vision, which you cannot get with a FOV setting too low.

[trtab]

Diposting pertama kali oleh EF_Neo1st:

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Little experiment.

- 65 inch tv. Its a full 65 inhes diagonal screen inside edge to edge.
- Eyes are 120 cm (47 inches from screen)
- Flat screen no curve.

Now someone who is all about the "proper natural FOV" for this setup, tell me what my FOV should be in ACC and RF2...

https://dinex86.github.io/FOV-Calculator/
37° at ACC, if you was at some 60cm it would be around 68°

Still you do you, also:

Diposting pertama kali oleh trtab:

For the record, I drive on a single 27 inch screen

SO now if you changed to a 65'' screen it still too far from the screen anyway and too big of a FOV, but again "you do you", I dont have issues witth consistency to improve driving with my FOV even if I drive 30min/day or less through the year (considering sometimes I spend weeks or even months out of simrracing, I still manage to improve or at least return to drive with similar consistency around my best times quite fast).

Yes that's correct 37°. Which is absolutely ridiculous. A 65-in screen is massive, and when you're only 47 in away from the screen, if you set your FOV at 37°, which is supposed to be the natural and realistic FOV, it's absurdly close.

And this is what I'm talking about. When I move it to 70 or 80° in RF2 or even ACC, it feels entirely more natural, and so much easier to gauge speed and distance.

[EF_Neo1st]

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https://dinex86.github.io/FOV-Calculator/
37° at ACC, if you was at some 60cm it would be around 68°

Still you do you, also:

SO now if you changed to a 65'' screen it still too far from the screen anyway and too big of a FOV, but again "you do you", I dont have issues witth consistency to improve driving with my FOV even if I drive 30min/day or less through the year (considering sometimes I spend weeks or even months out of simrracing, I still manage to improve or at least return to drive with similar consistency around my best times quite fast).

Yes that's correct 37°. Which is absolutely ridiculous. A 65-in screen is massive, and when you're only 47 in away from the screen, if you set your FOV at 37°, which is supposed to be the natural and realistic FOV, it's absurdly close.

And this is what I'm talking about. When I move it to 70 or 80° in RF2 or even ACC, it feels entirely more natural, and so much easier to gauge speed and distance.

If I found the ingame wheel to be too big or bigger than my wheell I would increase the angle.
If stil I foundd the ingame wheel to be too small or smaller than my wheel I would reduce the angle.

You dont need to bee looking at the apex "when you are by the side of the apex", if you do it right (with proper line and angle of attack) even on a 30° or less the apex will still show to you the same and if you use radar and virtual mirror the sides are not needed (and dont even maake sense as "the sides" should be "on the sides and not in front". I can not conceive how irl someone would be able to drive while being able to see the sides (or at least side mirrors) without moving the head or at least the eyeballs to the sides.

I was driving with this kind of FOV before at all sims and simcades:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6yCehFds4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_xU7-fXmao
And even with racing line I was suffering to have any consistency.
I really started to improve when I set a "more natural FOV" but again, you do you, if you are fine with higher angle FOV, more used to it and can not wrap your head around using something "more natural in terms of realistic driving", it is your game, you do you.

[FaultyJawa]

I feel the same way about FOV as I do about what camera you drive with - do what feels best for you. Without having the feeling of a real car under me, I find that external cameras generally give me better depth perception and sense of what the car is doing than cockpit cameras, and I switch between the two depending on how I'm feeling. Some games I like having a higher FOV, others I like a lower one.

If you're having fun and it helps you, just do it and forget what anyone else thinks.

Edit: By external cameras, I mean bumper/hood/roof. Not chase.

[lewiswood20585]

I have a 43 inch screen 69cm away (arms length basically) and I use 69 or 42 FOV.

Usually I find my best laps are 60 or 92 FOV.

When I do lots of driving in my real car, I find that I am bad at the sim. But with correct FOV I can jump straight in.

[EF_Neo1st]

Diposting pertama kali oleh lewiswood20585:

I have a 43 inch screen 69cm away (arms length basically) and I use 69 or 42 FOV.

Usually I find my best laps are 60 or 92 FOV.

When I do lots of driving in my real car, I find that I am bad at the sim. But with correct FOV I can jump straight in.

Is it 42 the typo or 92 the typo?

[lewiswood20585]

Diposting pertama kali oleh EF_Neo1st:

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I have a 43 inch screen 69cm away (arms length basically) and I use 69 or 42 FOV.

Usually I find my best laps are 60 or 92 FOV.

When I do lots of driving in my real car, I find that I am bad at the sim. But with correct FOV I can jump straight in.

Is it 42 the typo or 92 the typo?

Neither are typos.

FOV Calculation: 42 in ACC and 69 in iRacing or AMS2. (correct FOV)

If I use 60 degrees in ACC then I get my fastest laps. That equates to 92 in AMS2.

Its horizontal vs vertical FOV.

[EF_Neo1st]

Diposting pertama kali oleh lewiswood20585:

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Is it 42 the typo or 92 the typo?

Neither are typos.

FOV Calculation: 42 in ACC and 69 in iRacing or AMS2. (correct FOV)

If I use 60 degrees in ACC then I get my fastest laps. That equates to 92 in AMS2.

Its horizontal vs vertical FOV.

Ah, well, you did not mention it was the FOV calc and what you use neither that it was 2 different sims, I assumed it was all ACC only and that the first or second value are the FOV calculator.

[lewiswood20585]

I see what you mean, I did not explain well at all.

[Arran Chace]

Diposting pertama kali oleh lewiswood20585:

I have a 43 inch screen 69cm away (arms length basically) and I use 69 or 42 FOV.

Usually I find my best laps are 60 or 92 FOV.

When I do lots of driving in my real car, I find that I am bad at the sim. But with correct FOV I can jump straight in.

I play racing sims since Toca all the way back, and over the years i gathered a pretty nice simracing setup, up to a tripple widescreen setup, etc.. even even though the immersion is pretty great, it still does not compare to the real thing.

I'm so lucky to own a car that's mostly present in most racing games (Mazda MX5NA from 92) and therefor use that as baseline setup for setting my simgames up, regardless how neat my sim rig is, and how "real" it feels with all the expensive gadets i gathered over the years, it never comes/came close how my real MX5 feels and drives.

Foremost the sensory input of the 2 are so completly different, and you might need a simsetup that costs actually more as my MX5 is worth to even be able to recreate the exact feeling.

Only thing is, wrecking my real MX5 every so much number of laps, is more expensive as a elaborate simrig ;-) hence i still using a simrig, and not my real MX5 for crazy stuff (and the fines, certainly those fines and in my country those are not fun)

[underd0g]

Doubt you can call this a ultra serious sim if people can drive it with a controller. And I wouldn't be surprised if some, on console at least, use external view when racing.

Use whichever FOV you are fastest with. Ignore all the calculators.

[trtab]

Diposting pertama kali oleh underd0g:

Doubt you can call this a ultra serious sim if people can drive it with a controller. And I wouldn't be surprised if some, on console at least, use external view when racing.

Use whichever FOV you are fastest with. Ignore all the calculators.

I can drive RF2 with a controller as well.

Albeit it's not gonna be as fast as a wheel, but I suspect if a real car has a controller, it would nearly as fast.

[nono782]

These clichés about consoles players lol

I remember the events of project cars 2, the views, assists and top laptimes were the same on PC and consoles.

[EF_Neo1st]

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These clichés about consoles players lol

I remember the events of project cars 2, the views, assists and top laptimes were the same on PC and consoles.

Because the idea is that "people on console are more prone to use gamepad", tho it can not be confirmed on how much (% wise) of the playerbase on PC and on console that use wheel+pedals and how much use gamepad or even kb&m.

[Peter Stefani]

ACC FOV = 55 with a 27 inch flat screen at about 27 inches away from eyes. Just my two cents for a reference.

[lewiswood20585]

Mazda MX5 aye, which sim has the best version ? I am looking at getting a Toyota 86 or Subaru BRZ when I get a job, previous one came to an end. I might take it to Barbagello raceway here in Perth Australia. I also may try some go-karting, but I don't know yet.