Any good with a controller

[Doogerie]

is this any good with a controller I don't have space for a wheel

[goblueteam]

the thing is many people struggle to get these lap times even on a wheel lol for quite a while.
personally I still suck at silverstone im lucky to do 158-!59 on a FANATEC CSL DD honestly not any faster now than i was on my thrustmaster tmx or t300 probably slower lol

and really im happy with anything under 2 mins pb is 1.58 something but very rare to do that for me not sure i have even done it sense the august BOP update 1500+ hours in game im sure probably 1000 laps or more on silverstone

same with monza and spa just slow as it gets on those tracks for how much time i have played keep in mind on a wheel I have not doubts there are people on controller doing similar lap times I dont think i have even gone 1.48 in a year probably sense before 1.8 patch or something on monza lol

and spa is basically the same deal just raced these 3 tracks so much starting out I just have no interest in practicing or driving on these tracks im lucky to do 2 19 at spa and it feels bad to drive every single lap lol

anyways all im saying is controller or wheel until you have 500-1000 hours in game do not expect to be that on point and even if you have that many hours expect to be slow AF every time you take some time away

that is the reason ACC is less popular it really is not something you just play for a couples days and start really doing great at you basically need to do a bunch of research or already have a sim racing back round and put in almost as many hours of research as you do driving lol.

[turtleCZ]

Exactly, ACC is not for casual. :D One week off and you are lost.

[EF_Neo1st]

Publicado originalmente por turtleCZ:

Exactly, ACC is not for casual. :D One week off and you are lost.

I got back after some 3 months and still got back to my best time at Misano in just some 4 or 5 30min/40min sessions (1:34.2 and pace of 1:34.4 to 1:34.9) and it mean I could remain improving.

I am no alien but for someone off for so long it is not bad.

[turtleCZ]

Publicado originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

Publicado originalmente por turtleCZ:

Exactly, ACC is not for casual. :D One week off and you are lost.

I got back after some 3 months and still got back to my best time at Misano in just some 4 or 5 30min/40min sessions (1:34.2 and pace of 1:34.4 to 1:34.9) and it mean I could remain improving.

I am no alien but for someone off for so long it is not bad.

Maybe some training, it's not after few hundreds of hours in sims.

[goblueteam]

hm its not so much hitting a good lap time its more so doing it every lap I am still beating PB lap times sometimes but i can not reproduce it as easy sense i race/practice 80% less

I also was meaning like if you dont already have a lot of experience in a sim sure if you have 1000+ hours in ACC it probably takes a few days to a week or 2 to get close to the same pace you were at before your week or 2 brake depending on the time/effort you put in lol.

i think it also really comes down to the person for me it really takes a ton of effort and time to get back to what i consider consistent maybe for you it takes much less time than it would take me and so on not everyone is the same.

I just dont think many people even invest 20-30 hours in most games total so when seasoned sim racers take a few decent sessions just to get back to pace it really shows how hard it is when you are just beginning

also the skill level just keeps getting higher/lap times getting faster so starting now compared to 2 years ago is a bit intimidating imo I actually feel like the cars a little slower now too but the laptimes from the top drivers keep improving it seems.

for me idk I actually sort of regret all the time/effort/money on gear i have put twords this game I basically play only ACC 90% of the time and idk just dont really enjoy many other games that much

I am really hoping the upcoming update will help me enjoy the game the way i used to but its sort of idk just seems like a lost cause although i dont plan on even buying the new DLC they would really have to make major game updates for that to happen.

the last DLC was a huge disappointment for me and those tracks have not even been added to the in game competition server schedule so i litterly have not even done more than 1-2 races on those tracks from w/e 6-8-10 months ago and have had no reason to even drive on them or build a setup or anything

ACC is a tough one that is for sure sometimes it feels like the best thing ever and sometimes it just feels hopeless and depressing lol

for me the current state of the game is the later and its a real bummer I hope things can change weather its me or the game I just yea dont have much hope left for that after 8-9 months of being annoyed and frustrated

[EF_Neo1st]

About tracks I actually wanted 1 track ...
Macau

[EF_Neo1st]

Still, had ACC the AMS2 or rF2 FFB I would be way more confident with the car, that makes a huge difference at least to me.

[Eckee]

Publicado originalmente por Norman_Defamed:

Publicado originalmente por Eckee:

Please do a hot lap around Silverstone under 2 mins with a gamepad. The record is around 1:56 and I'm giving you 4 second tolerance. My PB is just short of 2:05 and I believe you're much better than me.

https://youtu.be/I9zwClx3_W8 Dude plays with a controller, he's the guy who won a professional championship some years ago. 1:55 on a Bentley. I am not really fast at the moment but I've been able to do 2:00 laps with a pad. As I said it's tough, but not impossible, it just takes patience and a lot of time to really learn. I've been playing almost 300 hours and still am improving every week. Wheel is the same in my opinion, you need to practice hard to get fast anyway.
Also I find the pad settings he wrote in the video really good. They are the same I am using but the Steam Big Picture finetuning.

Yes, I have also seen people painting with their feet. Doesn't mean it's a viable option.

I wasn't asking for a pro player practicing like 50 hours a week. I was asking for a regular player who is a part of 99% of the playerbase. If you put 7 thousand hours into it, you can do brain surgeries with a gamepad too.

[EF_Neo1st]

Publicado originalmente por Eckee:

Publicado originalmente por Norman_Defamed:

https://youtu.be/I9zwClx3_W8 Dude plays with a controller, he's the guy who won a professional championship some years ago. 1:55 on a Bentley. I am not really fast at the moment but I've been able to do 2:00 laps with a pad. As I said it's tough, but not impossible, it just takes patience and a lot of time to really learn. I've been playing almost 300 hours and still am improving every week. Wheel is the same in my opinion, you need to practice hard to get fast anyway.
Also I find the pad settings he wrote in the video really good. They are the same I am using but the Steam Big Picture finetuning.

Yes, I have also seen people painting with their feet. Doesn't mean it's a viable option.

I wasn't asking for a pro player practicing like 50 hours a week. I was asking for a regular player who is a part of 99% of the playerbase. If you put 7 thousand hours into it, you can do brain surgeries with a gamepad too.

A "regular player" on wheel will also not achieve anywhere near the similar results.
2:00 or near on wheel just for 30min/day or 30min/week is already good, on gamepad you can not expect to be under 2:00 just with small practice either.

[Eckee]

Publicado originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

Publicado originalmente por Eckee:

Yes, I have also seen people painting with their feet. Doesn't mean it's a viable option.

I wasn't asking for a pro player practicing like 50 hours a week. I was asking for a regular player who is a part of 99% of the playerbase. If you put 7 thousand hours into it, you can do brain surgeries with a gamepad too.

A "regular player" on wheel will also not achieve anywhere near the similar results.
2:00 or near on wheel just for 30min/day or 30min/week is already good, on gamepad you can not expect to be under 2:00 just with small practice either.

I don't put competitive laptimes but I was always faster on wheel. And it wasn't even my wheel so I could not practice. I play with controller and no matter how well I get with the controller, I can always get better on the wheel with less or equal effort.

[Norman_Defamed]

Publicado originalmente por Eckee:

Publicado originalmente por Norman_Defamed:

https://youtu.be/I9zwClx3_W8 Dude plays with a controller, he's the guy who won a professional championship some years ago. 1:55 on a Bentley. I am not really fast at the moment but I've been able to do 2:00 laps with a pad. As I said it's tough, but not impossible, it just takes patience and a lot of time to really learn. I've been playing almost 300 hours and still am improving every week. Wheel is the same in my opinion, you need to practice hard to get fast anyway.
Also I find the pad settings he wrote in the video really good. They are the same I am using but the Steam Big Picture finetuning.

Yes, I have also seen people painting with their feet. Doesn't mean it's a viable option.

I wasn't asking for a pro player practicing like 50 hours a week. I was asking for a regular player who is a part of 99% of the playerbase. If you put 7 thousand hours into it, you can do brain surgeries with a gamepad too.

Yeah, I see your point. Anyway, I've been able to do 2:00 on Silverstone on a pad and reached that in 275 hours spread in almost 3 years of playing ACC, so super casual playing. I am sure there are way faster pad players around and most of them are not pros. I thought it was impossible to play well on a pad too back in the days, then I saw Saw's videos (lol) and other fast pad players and I started believing it was possible. That was the key to me, of course until I was blaming my lack of a wheel for my lack of speed, I couldn't improve much because I didn't believe it was possible to be good on a pad. Another thing that helped me a lot lately was doing championships with 3 hour races against the AI. It was really fun and I improved a lot my pace and especially my consistence in lap times, which is crucial in the game. Now I am playing mostly on LFM and in most of races even if I am not super fast on lap times, I am way more consistent than most players (in the Rookie classe at least) and that makes me able to reach the top 10 in a lot of races easily.

[turtleCZ]

That's for sure, gamepad is much harder but can be the same as a wheel if you train.

[Norman_Defamed]

Publicado originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

Publicado originalmente por Eckee:

Yes, I have also seen people painting with their feet. Doesn't mean it's a viable option.

I wasn't asking for a pro player practicing like 50 hours a week. I was asking for a regular player who is a part of 99% of the playerbase. If you put 7 thousand hours into it, you can do brain surgeries with a gamepad too.

A "regular player" on wheel will also not achieve anywhere near the similar results.
2:00 or near on wheel just for 30min/day or 30min/week is already good, on gamepad you can not expect to be under 2:00 just with small practice either.

I agree, both pads and wheels are tough to master.

[EF_Neo1st]

Publicado originalmente por Eckee:

Publicado originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

A "regular player" on wheel will also not achieve anywhere near the similar results.
2:00 or near on wheel just for 30min/day or 30min/week is already good, on gamepad you can not expect to be under 2:00 just with small practice either.

I don't put competitive laptimes but I was always faster on wheel. And it wasn't even my wheel so I could not practice. I play with controller and no matter how well I get with the controller, I can always get better on the wheel with less or equal effort.

I dont argue that it may feel easier on wheel due to FFB (also reason why I find it easier to drive more on the limit at AMS2 and rF2 in comparison to ACC, due to better FFB at AMS2 and rF2 to feel the limits of the car) but it is needed time and practice to improve anyway.

[j]

@turtleCZ uhh, I don't really know how to say this any nicer way but you're clueless.

First of all, only elitist idiots refer to racing games as 'sims'. We're not using multi-billion dollar proprietary simulation equipment in full blown carbon copy cockpits, we're sweaty gamers on our PC's with a steering wheel or whatever we choose, keep it real.

Now that we have that out of the way, Forza Motorsport is indeed a Motorsport/Racing Simulation Game, it simulates what it might be like to race a car (or truck for that matter) around closed circuits or street circuits, this is the definition of a simulation racing game, no different to iRacing, Assetto Corsa or Competizione. Some simulate things better, others not so much, don't be an asshat.

Forza has a lot of different options that can make the experience better or worse, but it never really gets good. This is due to primitive physics and no innovation. Forza Motorsport 8 is innovating in a massive way, allegedly. It's alleged that the physics engine has had an entire overhaul from tire to weather, so no one really knows what it's actually going to be like. Yes, it will most likely still be a very 'arcadey' experience from a quick glance, but I personally have hopes as like yourself I have played every single Forza Motorsport title, that it will have an 'advanced' play style for those of us who enjoy pushing ourselves to the limit and pushing the cars to the limit.

BUT, back to the actual question at hand, Gamepad is actually best for Forza Motorsport up until #7. It's designed for controller, because the primary playerbase are gamepad players (being that most of them are on Xbox consoles). It can take skill to master the driving style that all Forza titles offer, including Horizon, and different cars do handle differently (GT3 handle like ♥♥♥♥, but that's what you get when you're forcing V8 Supercars and Hypercars into the same category such as R900 or w/e). All in all, your statement saying ACC is better than Forza for gamepads is hilariously garbage and downright false.

Perhaps you should actually play the games instead of loading the title screen and calling it a day, maybe you won't make such a fool of yourself on the internet in the future.

P.S, you shouldn't really pose off as a hardcore simulation racing gamer when you have a mere 600~ hours combined across all titles, that's kinda weak and doesn't really give you any grounds to be hypercritical of anyone or any game, you just look like a bit of a ♥♥♥♥ trying to act like someone you're not. Between all of my accounts, I cumulatively have around 1k hours in AC1, 200~ hours in iRacing (it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ what can I say), 2k+ hours in ACC, 300~ hours in GT titles (also ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥), 500+ hours in Forza titles (all titles, not just recent, it's not great but it can be fun), and about 250 hours in rF2 (also terrible). That's not counting the dozens of hours in other titles like CarX, AMS2, F1 titles etc that I don't really dig. But to curate or review something, you need experience, something you do not have, you've barely scratched the surface bud.