Assetto Corsa Competizione

Assetto Corsa Competizione

Gunn Nov 10, 2024 @ 4:01pm
How are the physics here?
I've just recently got myself setup with a wheel, pedals, and shifter, as well as AC. I bought the RSS GT mods for AC as I'm finding I quiet like the GT cars, and some of the F1 cars. I'm more of a motorcycle guy so the world of car racing and sport is quite new to me.

That being said I like realism when it comes to sim stuff (whole point of buying the hardware setup), and just noticed this ACC focuses just on the GT cars, so almost feels like a no brainer to get, but I have to wonder. Is it as sim as AC or more on the "Simcade" side of things?

Cheers!
Last edited by Gunn; Nov 10, 2024 @ 4:05pm
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lewiswood20585 Nov 10, 2024 @ 4:24pm 
ACC is more realistic than AC. It is a sim and done to a high level. I also have all the RSS GT cars for AC, they are very good especially the GT1 cars.

Physics are great. the sim only has two issues as far as I know:

1. Braking requires you to use 100 percent often. This is unrealistic.
2. Dampers and bump stops don't function properly, according to engineers. I use Coach Dave setups and they told me this.

Yeah so all good mate with ACC, if your looking for a sim you have made a good choice.

Other good sims: iRacing, rFactor 2, LeMans Ultimate, Automobilista 2, Raceroom is good but a few years old now.
Gunn Nov 10, 2024 @ 4:30pm 
Originally posted by lewiswood20585:
ACC is more realistic than AC. It is a sim and done to a high level. I also have all the RSS GT cars for AC, they are very good especially the GT1 cars.

Physics are great. the sim only has two issues as far as I know:

1. Braking requires you to use 100 percent often. This is unrealistic.
2. Dampers and bump stops don't function properly, according to engineers. I use Coach Dave setups and they told me this.

Yeah so all good mate with ACC, if your looking for a sim you have made a good choice.

Other good sims: iRacing, rFactor 2, LeMans Ultimate, Automobilista 2, Raceroom is good but a few years old now.

Really? So you're saying ACC is "more" realistic than original AC in terms of GT cars and their physics? I may just have to give it a go then!

I would consider iRacing but from my understanding it's pretty much online races only, and quite competitive. I'm not sure I'm ready for that yet, but maybe.
goblueteam Nov 10, 2024 @ 4:57pm 
I think its going to come down to preference many people that love AC do not think ACC is as good in the FFB. Some people feel the other way its mostly personal preference.
I think there are things they both do great I just idk play more ACC for the online races. I dont really play AC I did just get it reinstalled with content manager and everything to try some stuff out though.

For me I just enjoy how easy ACC is to use and it looks great and works really well after all these years of updates.
The only thing you really kind of would probably want to do is sign up for LFM or some other 3rd party host/league if you wanted to find more online racing. LFM also supports AC so you may want to check that out anyways if you have not.
There are still a lot of public lobbies too and the competition server races built in for online racing but a big portion of the population are using external servers for leagues or daily races.
There is not much single player other than just like making your own championship or practicing, there is a online special event menu with some hotlap/time trial type events that change, honestly its not always updated very often though..the ones up now have been there for like 6+months maybe a year lol

AC Evo will also be releasing soon in early access so support is slowing down for ACC it seems. No one really knows how long it will last or if it will get support down the road or not, its not really seeming like it so far I heard there may be one last update but who really knows.

I would still buy ACC if I were you but thats just my opinion lol its really cheap on sale and a great driving experience. Its also just really user friendly compared to some menu systems in sim racing lol. Its def a full on sim title not arcade. It will probably take a while to actually be decent at unless you have some experience with sim racing.
lewiswood20585 Nov 10, 2024 @ 5:26pm 
Originally posted by Gunn:
Originally posted by lewiswood20585:
ACC is more realistic than AC. It is a sim and done to a high level. I also have all the RSS GT cars for AC, they are very good especially the GT1 cars.

Physics are great. the sim only has two issues as far as I know:

1. Braking requires you to use 100 percent often. This is unrealistic.
2. Dampers and bump stops don't function properly, according to engineers. I use Coach Dave setups and they told me this.

Yeah so all good mate with ACC, if your looking for a sim you have made a good choice.

Other good sims: iRacing, rFactor 2, LeMans Ultimate, Automobilista 2, Raceroom is good but a few years old now.

Really? So you're saying ACC is "more" realistic than original AC in terms of GT cars and their physics? I may just have to give it a go then!

I would consider iRacing but from my understanding it's pretty much online races only, and quite competitive. I'm not sure I'm ready for that yet, but maybe.

iRacing has AI also. I just hotlap, I am trying to just improve my driving so I am matching the pro times. Then I will race. I am also not ready.

ACC is much better than AC.
https://coachdaveacademy.com/tutorials/the-difference-between-acc-and-ac/
EF_Neo1st Nov 10, 2024 @ 9:25pm 
Originally posted by Gunn:
Originally posted by lewiswood20585:
ACC is more realistic than AC. It is a sim and done to a high level. I also have all the RSS GT cars for AC, they are very good especially the GT1 cars.

Physics are great. the sim only has two issues as far as I know:

1. Braking requires you to use 100 percent often. This is unrealistic.
2. Dampers and bump stops don't function properly, according to engineers. I use Coach Dave setups and they told me this.

Yeah so all good mate with ACC, if your looking for a sim you have made a good choice.

Other good sims: iRacing, rFactor 2, LeMans Ultimate, Automobilista 2, Raceroom is good but a few years old now.

Really? So you're saying ACC is "more" realistic than original AC in terms of GT cars and their physics? I may just have to give it a go then!

I would consider iRacing but from my understanding it's pretty much online races only, and quite competitive. I'm not sure I'm ready for that yet, but maybe.
ACC has a "more detailed" physics model that simulates more stuff and "more properly" (fine tuned) than AC.

If you going for AI race .. the AI is quite "underwhelming" (and dumb) per say. You are better off learning the track on your own (without racing line and AI) and then going for online.
Look for videos at youtube or go online and check how the faster drivers do if "line and braking points" are your problem, AI (and the racing line) are sometimes wrong in both line and braking point and I often see who is using racing line or learned with AI whe going online (and they often are 2s or more slower than me even when I am not on a good day).. some of them brake so early sometimes that even wihtout trying to overtake I end up "divebombing" on their side to avoid a crash because they started braking way earlier than normal.

AI is good for you to get the hang of the game but I would not give it more credits than that. Online is the way but if "improving your driving skills" is whaat you want then it is a good easier entry as the GT cars have TC and ABS making these easier to deal with than other classes that dont have it.
ANOK Nov 10, 2024 @ 10:17pm 
Using 100% brake is realistic for GT cars.
FaultyJawa Nov 11, 2024 @ 12:37am 
For what it's specifically trying to simulate, it's some of the best physics on the market (not to discount other sims).
lewiswood20585 Nov 11, 2024 @ 1:06am 
Originally posted by ANOK:
Using 100% brake is realistic for GT cars.

In real driving their is no 100 percent. You can keep pressing.

What I am referring to is most of the fastest laps instead of feathering the brake lightly for a fast corner, will use a quick on/off with 100 force in the sim, this is not realistic. You cant get the fastest laps without it in ACC. Daniel Morad said this also a pro GT3 driver for Mercedes & the Coach Dave Delta pro laps do this also, every-time the brake is used its 100 percent, not realistic.
nono782 Nov 11, 2024 @ 3:42am 
Without ABS you wouldn’t brake at 100%.
With ABS on, it’s not something you care about since the system reduces automatically the amount of brakes.
EF_Neo1st Nov 11, 2024 @ 3:45am 
Originally posted by lewiswood20585:
Originally posted by ANOK:
Using 100% brake is realistic for GT cars.

In real driving their is no 100 percent. You can keep pressing.

What I am referring to is most of the fastest laps instead of feathering the brake lightly for a fast corner, will use a quick on/off with 100 force in the sim, this is not realistic. You cant get the fastest laps without it in ACC. Daniel Morad said this also a pro GT3 driver for Mercedes & the Coach Dave Delta pro laps do this also, every-time the brake is used its 100 percent, not realistic.
Agreed, still ... every sim will have a thing (or set of) that is not realistic.
ACC brake behavior is just "one" of many things that can be deemed unrealistic "without getting into setup exploits", steering wheel smoothness is another, obviously irl the smoother you are the faster you go but laps "on the limit" hardly are smooth steering too (also because of all car reactions).
STILL... in thar regard getting to 100% or the car ĺimit (that may vary from car to car, car setup and tyres/brakes/track conditions as in wether conditions) is a variable skill.

https://youtu.be/fhFkGAL-Qa0?feature=shared
EF_Neo1st Nov 11, 2024 @ 4:16am 
AC on the other hand have its set of wrong behaviors too, one being how the tyre work, other being the "do whatever grip" inside the line but outside is "murder yourself grip" (I am talking about vanilla AC not "so heavily modded AC is just an .exe launcher for mods and any other game could just do the same") along with how understeery it is too. Yes "off of the racing line" oobviously there is less grip but it is not like "super grip on racing line" and "almost sand/ice" off of the racing line, also the tyre behavior because of its "1 point tyre model" is also not good either and deliver similarly to ACC (less for the tyre wear and setup exploits parts).

rF2 is massive understeer slide until it grips and it still understeering, force oversteer at the right moment aand you can have a snap oversteer wiith some grip then car wil just go understeering out. You can still indice oversteer with steering wheel or pedals anyway and get away with it, also the difference in driving feel and car reaction from base content through DLCs up until the latest DLC is clear. There is allso setup exploits on top of that turning cars grip and behavior into something that is not realistic going through tyres psi adjustment to suspension and wing adjustments too.

AMS2 "may" allow too much play on the steering wheel (not losing as much speed), some cars may not feel right but plenty do feel great BUT sim still having its physics tweaked, at least it is not "only" latest content that gets the tweak, for good or for bad.

ACC havee the 100% brake, sudden snap oversteer, wheel always too smooth if you really want to go faster nothing can change to the car (what again is unrealistic), tyres wear is also far form realistic, you can spin now and do a better lap 1 or 2 laps later (tho it was worst, before 1.8 you could have "pristine new tyres" after doing 1 or 2 donuts, now tyres wwill carry some wear but if you 360° spin once and just go lightly for 1 or 2 laps your tyre is good enough for you to continue improving your laps), you can shut off TC 2 (that I could say is Traction Control "Cut" because it controls how much power is cut and the behavior of how much is cut) and be even faster with stability that would be higher than 5/10 TC2 settings, what obviously is unrealistic as no one would need any other setting other than TC2 OFF. That is also all the suspension and wheels adjustment along with car height play that are also exploits (and again no one would need to use anything else other than that if it was llike that irl) that allow lower wing (or even zero wing) to work in unrtealistic maanner for how the car setup is set (and how the car was meant to be driven too).
How "simplified" the setup is in ACC is also unrealistic (I dont remember where I saw someone or some engineer comment thaat car setup is not just that and the "TC/ABS/ECU mapping is also customizable too, along with plenty of other settings thaat are more than what ACC show there and missing settings too).

SO, "no", no sim is perfect and every sim have its flaws and its good points, but still "any sim" do it better than any simcade or rcade title.
FaultyJawa Nov 11, 2024 @ 11:34am 
Originally posted by lewiswood20585:
Daniel Morad said this also a pro GT3 driver for Mercedes & the Coach Dave Delta pro laps do this also, every-time the brake is used its 100 percent, not realistic.

Daniel Morad is also an ambassador for iRacing, so that should be taken into account as well.
EF_Neo1st Nov 11, 2024 @ 3:55pm 
Originally posted by FaultyJawa:
Originally posted by lewiswood20585:
Daniel Morad said this also a pro GT3 driver for Mercedes & the Coach Dave Delta pro laps do this also, every-time the brake is used its 100 percent, not realistic.

Daniel Morad is also an ambassador for iRacing, so that should be taken into account as well.
There is that too, aalso there is the fact that even among profeessional drivers "driving style" can vary a lot, including the on/off-ish switch for steering like Alonso do
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1_jSrZckZD8
And despite what is mentioned at the video being true, Alonso stil with a more aggressive approach to turns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwQzcgM_e_U
And you can not say he is slow, when car was catching up to the ttop teams he was delivering, his performance falling was more "the car performance improvement" falling behind much like what happened to Red Bull but worst.
nono782 Nov 11, 2024 @ 4:13pm 
Originally posted by FaultyJawa:
Originally posted by lewiswood20585:
Daniel Morad said this also a pro GT3 driver for Mercedes & the Coach Dave Delta pro laps do this also, every-time the brake is used its 100 percent, not realistic.

Daniel Morad is also an ambassador for iRacing, so that should be taken into account as well.

The other day I was curious about this braking behavior and found discussions about it.
Not all pro drivers agree with Morad and what we think is dumb in ACC may not be so far from reality.
GT3s are very stable cars, they have electronic aids, and apparently iRacing exaggerate the braking instability.
As gamers we tend to think more challenging = more real, but it does not necessarily work this way.
EF_Neo1st Nov 11, 2024 @ 4:50pm 
Originally posted by nono782:
Originally posted by FaultyJawa:

Daniel Morad is also an ambassador for iRacing, so that should be taken into account as well.

The other day I was curious about this braking behavior and found discussions about it.
Not all pro drivers agree with Morad and what we think is dumb in ACC may not be so far from reality.
GT3s are very stable cars, they have electronic aids, and apparently iRacing exaggerate the braking instability.
As gamers we tend to think more challenging = more real, but it does not necessarily work this way.
iracing exaggerated braking instability is due to the iracing tyre model that is that finnicky.

There are nuances that "only driving/racing" one would really know but people watch something on TV and take that something as real as per their understanding of it and "what someone else said".
I stil dont agree with the "always 100% brake all the times or the car jus wont grip enough" at ACC but it is to some extent about the same on other sims, with different brake thresholds and different thresholds per turn even for same cars with TC and ABS and while also allowing 100% brake it also wears more the tyre and often make the car slide more too under braking (so in comparison to ACC on other sims you go 100% brake for shorter period of time or in less turns).
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