Older cars still viable?

[Umbreawesome]

Sort of want to run the 2017 Reiter as my main multiplayer car but I never see any in online. I just like the look of the older lambo better than the new one. Although I like driving the new mustang GT-3 for it's engine noise. Was just wondering if older cars are still viable online because I'm not exactly sure what the performance gap from old to new is since I race with old turned on in quick race if I want to run the car. Never tried running it in multiplayer.

[MadMan]

You sure can do some quick laps in the older cars and can have enjoyable races, if you become really good with them, but they are no where near the pace of the modern cars. Cars like the Reiter, old Bentley, McLaren 650S and old Porsche were pretty much dead on arrival, when the game released out of early access, since most of them got replaced right away, while others got their Evo-version in later patches.
That being said, if you really enjoy racing those cars, absolutely go for it! They are still amazing to drive and maybe you're lucky and even can find a league, that runs with them. I know, that LFM has a "historic" cup with only these cars ever so often.
If you're going for top-tier pace, you may be out of luck, tho, since these cars will never achieve that, sadly. Probably not even with -40 kg ballast.

[goblueteam]

honestly that car was never very good in ACC even back in the day lol

the thing is if your enjoying it thats all that really matters tinker with the setup and have some fun.

[Umbreawesome]

Well at monza my fastest lap in that car is 1:51.798

My fastest average was 1:52.490

I think my average during my last couple of races came out to around 1:52.810

So I'm definitely on the slow end. I do actually average faster in the Reiter than the new mustang though.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Umbreawesome:

Well at monza my fastest lap in that car is 1:51.798

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6SiHA9Au3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6imR2aDSCM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EeCj5T4bgM
Wrong. It can go way faster than just 1:51 at Monza.

[Umbreawesome]

Jesus I was just giving the times that I've been able to set in the car and admitted that I'm slow. Did you just read the lap time and think that I was saying the car was slow? I know it's me.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Umbreawesome:

Jesus I was just giving the times that I've been able to set in the car and admitted that I'm slow. Did you just read the lap time and think that I was saying the car was slow? I know it's me.

I considered you saw the 1:51 lap time somewhere and considered that as benchmark (and you said you was doing 1:52, so I considered you said you was slow in relation to the 1:51).
Also I know ACC show some "real life lap times" there (that sometimes is either just wrong or outdated) and I dont know if the 1:51 was one of these times so I took that into consideration.

Still, these times also respond to your question.
Your question: Older cars (like the 2017 Reiter) still viable?
Answer with the videos: Yes

[goblueteam]

i think it always did better on monza and paul ricard but was not as viable at tracks with more turns and less straights lol.

its strange how they like keep the old cars viable on one track i remember the aston v12 was pretty good at mt panorama

jagaur also supposed to be a monza beast

nissan on snetterton lol honestly can be ok on a few tracks

i want to say the bmw m6 is maybe alright here and there as well.

it does seem like the newer cars are just kind of idk getting to be to fast/good making it a little more about the car then the driver in my opinion like the mclaren evo and the ferrari 296 to me they both almost seem like a different class of car quite a bit easier to stay at the limit i feel like.
sort of how the bmw m4 was when it released can overdrive it without much worry

i tried ams2 gt1 class after awhile and man its actually so fun to feel like you could lose control or to feel like your actually at the limit i just feel like I dont really get that feeling with ACC lately or for awhile and i have taken a pretty massive brake and play way less hours by probably 80% yet the cars just feel easier and less fun almost unreal not much edge of the seat feelings anymore for me (just driving of course if its a good race battle it still happens)

in general i guess i just dont feel like ACC is as good or challenging as it was it feels like its been kind of toned back in a way or idk whats going on but some how i keep getting faster and keep playing the game less lol i feel like i should be much slower now than i am and i do feel like its because the game has some issues where you can drive worse but gain lap time because of these issues just to much grip/to many things that dont effect the car/tires/grip that seem different sense idk 1.9 or 1.10 or something around that time period

[rob_every05]

The Reiter is indecently quick these days at Monza, but it is hard work, it has crap downforce but is a rocket on straights, literally 3 or 4 mph faster than anything else.

But you need a good setup, TC is awful as is braking, but if you can get it right it is very quick. Some of the older cars are rubbish though, bit mainly because Kunos never updated the setups with any new knowledge so they are based on setups that were quick 3 years ago etc. So stuff like old Nissan, NSX, Lambo, Bentley, Porsche, Merc, Aston, You can go quick but not silly level, unless you know how to do setups for the current meta.

If you know your way around what works you can still make them work, but only usually at the easier tracks like Monza, Spa, maybe Misano.

The problem is the 296, new 911 and especially the &20 are so massively OP that a crap driver can drive that make mistakes every bend,m go all over kerbs, and in something like the old Lambo or Ferrari if you even touch a kerb you are round at Monza, but I enjoy the challenge of beating peopel in old cars,

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by rob_every05:

If you know your way around what works you can still make them work, but only usually at the easier tracks like Monza, Spa, maybe Misano.

"Easier tracks" that people think are easy but go the "meta cars" as you said, with youtube or CDA setups and still 2% to 4% slower than the average fast times (not aliens).
These tracks "seem easy" because people "believe to know" the track when all they did was memorizing the layout and a few "around here" braking points.

No car or setup will make them fast let alone alien times if they can not even reach average or average fast times with it. It is not car or setup, it is knowledge and skills and a driver with both, on an old car with default setup will beat them (and you too ... hell, and me too) any day.

[rob_every05]

The biggest issue with the game currently is that there is a large library of cars but in reality 4 or 5 of them are simply much quicker than anything else out there. That is not a huge deal, and in the elite level you see it less as aliens and streamers have the ability to play all day experiment with radical setups etc and find ways to get around the game and physics deficiencies.

For people who play for fun, this is a limiting area, people just choose one of about 4 cars nearly every time, I cannot recall a time when this is me.

For example I have NOT driven the 720 EVO since it was released, I do not own the 296 or the newer cars, yet still manage to win maybe 40% of the public races I enter as I am aware of what each car can do.

I won a race yesterday in the old NSX, probably one of the slowest cars in the game at Monza, yes it was low numbers, but I won as I knew this thing would do mid 50's at a push and if I stick to that and no cretins turn up I might get a top 3, the leaders were morons so I won.

Other times I have been banging in 48's in a 488 and finished 10th, this shows as everything in front was 296 720EVO, and some slightly OP stuff like the Datsun and Lexis which are really quick now.

Kunos don't care, they only care about the elite level and steamers so this will never be fixed.