I got a little dilemma about a wheel im about to buy.

[Pattrone]

I've only experienced gear driven wheels, mainly Logitech and a while ago sold my wheel to pursue my IRL career. Now that I've settled I wanna get back into it, the thing is I can't chose.
I could get a T300RS GT wheel, 3 pedals and a shifter all for 348 euros TODAY.
OR
I could wait a bit and get a DD in this case I am thinking of Moza R5 bundle with a clutch pedal upgrade for 582 Euros and later down the line get a shifter.
Clutch is a must as I will also be doing some AC drifting, and rally games.
What should I do in your guys opinion?
I will barely have to to play on weekday anyway, most likely average 1 hour per day, my main free time will come on weekends. I do understand simracing is quite a commitment so just wanted to throw this info out.

[Tundr4]

I would say, if money is not an issue, jump to a DD wheel like Moza R5.

[BigDongle]

A DD wheel is going to give you a more consistent experience guaranteed. They have better resolution and more FFB response, just a better experience with an ecosystem to upgrade other peripheral parts like handbrakes, shifters and pedals. If you go with the T300 you will be replacing it with a DD at some point as it is belt drive and not load cell pedals. Just go with the DD wheel and avoid the need to upgrade later. You may want to upgrade the torque of the DD at some point on an R5 it is the lowest range of DDs, so you could get the T300 now if you're impatient and save for something more substantial like R16/21, Fanatec DD2 or Aesetek Invicta later.

[Sadist_cain]

Thrustmaster fanboi here with a TS-PC racer 488 edition.

Get the DD, no question.

[Zakalwe]

The T300RS is a reliable classic. It's been around for a long time with good reason: There are people who have put in thousands of hours on these wheels.

The FFB is absolutely usable in competitive gaming (It's still used in major eSport races), and is capable of very strong, convincing feedback. It's an excellent choice if you don't want to go full sim-rig but still value a sim experience.

[Matt621]

I always wanted a wheel and I got myself a T300RS GT on last Black friday. Quickly added a TH8A shifter, which collects dust, because I use the pads on the wheel to shift up/down (I know, that the shifter supports sequential shifting)

Did not take long (2 month?!) and I upgraded to a Moza R12 with a KS Steering Wheel and T-LCM Pedals. Not looking back. Not a second.
Well, except for the 0,5 seconds when AMS2 resetted my FFB limitations (20%?!) on a patch and I crashed into that wall with full 100% FFB pushing my thumb downwards :-(

For reference: have like 38h in ACC and 12h in AMS2, so rather early in my career

[Zakalwe]

Originally posted by Matt621:

For reference: have like 38h in ACC and 12h in AMS2, so rather early in my career

Good point! It's always helpful to know the level of experience being given.

Between my T300RS and numerous gamepads, I put in 837 hours in AMS2, 464 hours in rFactor2, 218 hours in ACC, 160 hours in RaceRoom, and 73 hours in my favourite, Le mans Ultimate. I then decided to sell my T300 and replace it with...a modified Dualsense Edge pad.

Despite all those hours of racing, I never really felt I played any of the sims enough to justify the heavy investment in a DD wheel or sim-rig setup.

[Abu Jaber drives Simucube 2 Pro]

If you buy a DD it's almost a lifetime choice so i would suggest you spend more if racing is a hobby you really like
I started wiuth a T300 RS and only problem is the cosmetic degradation overtime but good investment overall (had it for 3+ years)

[jagodina22]

I went from a G-29 after many years to a TM 818 DD and loadcell pedals .Well worth it and am very glad I did-and loadcell pedals are HUGELY important.

[goblueteam]

its tough the t300 is a decent wheel but i feel like the price should be more like 200.

im also in the US so prices are a bit different maybe.

i had a t300 before i upgraded to the fanatec csl DD 8 nm and idk at the time the prices were much farther apart i actually only paid 280 for my t300 my csl dd and wheel rim costed around 700(no pedals) i still used my thrustmaster TLCM load cell pedals.

if you think its something you will do for a long time i would get a DD probably i did have issues with my t300 getting warm and having less FFB power after about 20-30 mins of racing this seems to be pretty common i did use the button combo to have the fan on full speed didnt really help.

anyways to me the prices are much closer now also i know fanatec has been getting some hate lately but i do still think there csl dd bundles are probably the best deal out there i think the problem was not with these orders...so i would think you would not have issues...

moza is also good but i dont think you can upgrade the 5nm like you can with the 5nm fanatec.

after looking if i google fanatec the csl DD 8nm with 2 pedal set bundle comes up for 499$ but i cant seem to find it on there website it also was not there in the EUROPE region so idk that is a bummer because its a great deal you can add the load cell later or the 5nm bundle is only 399$ this is for a wheel rim 5nm csl dd base and 2 pedal set would be the best deal if you can find it....try to google fanatec csl dd bundle and see if it comes up.

anyways if you did get the t300 chances are you could sell it in 6months-1 year for a similar price as you paid maybe lose 50 and upgrade although people are def moving too DD wheel bases and prices are getting lower and lower.

also the t300 would def be nicer to use than a g29 the t300 actually does feel smooth and doesnt clunk around or make much noise although still can hear a fan and some low noise also much more power but it does turn the power down once it gets hot.

also the pedals you will get with the t300 probably are not going to be great and are not really up-gradable unless you want to modify them the thrustmaster TLCM are decent and what i have used for about 2000 hours now i do feel like the fanatec pedals with the load cell upgrade would be just as good though.

anyways its a tough call i would see whats in stock because a dd setup maybe only be 100$ more but you would not get a shifter(ACC only uses paddles by the way)

it comes down to if anything in your budget is even in stock from fanatec/moza/asetek/simucube/cammus/simagic i suppose and if you have to start TODAY! or you can wait a little longer lol.

tough choices...i think the t300 could be a filler but i also think that its possible no one would want to buy it in a year for 300 when thats probably what a budget DD wheel base will cost i mean the 5nm base is already 350$ without a wheel/pedals and 400$ for the bundle with a wheel and pedals.

i think for drifting a dd will be much more responsive and much faster rotating

but you also say you must have 3 pedals and a shifter so idk it def would cost much more to add that stuff in to a DD having the load cell brake pedal in my opinion is the most important so thats +100$ to get 3 pedals from fanatec and a 3rd party shifter would be 50-200$ depending on what you got.

so in order to get the cheapest fanatec bundle and a 3rd pedal and the cheapest logitech shifter would probably be 550+ so idk for your use case it almost just seems pointless to just use on the weekends and spend that much....maybe the t300 is just better value for your case....i would also say that if its used this makes a massive difference as the price is not great for a used device and you dont get a warranty/cant return.

[Mattmattmatt]

Some of the latest FFB developments have introduced unwanted and distracting artifacts into no DD wheels like the T300RS and G29. (Trail braking in Raceroom for example has a clunk effect where the wheel wants to stay locked to the center.) Because minimal force is needed to makeup for the weak FFB.

ACC is still fine i think.

One note about DD wheels is you do need something rigid and stable to bolt them too. So i myself have hesitated from making that upgrade.

[Zakalwe]

Originally posted by Mattmattmatt:

One note about DD wheels is you do need something rigid and stable to bolt them too. So i myself have hesitated from making that upgrade.

Oh yeah, I'd totally forgotten about that. That's why I got the T300 at the time. DD wheels need permanent infrastructure solutions!

[derSanitoeter]

After i had 2 dead T300 RS from overheating, 2 dead T500 RS from overheating ( yeah same ♥♥♥♥♥♥ faulty cooling design ) i went for a T-GT and everything was fine.

In the end i bought a DD drive because is disliked how low the torque was und how late the response was and how the belt-driven wheelbases felt after a while.

In the end - DD all the way ( there are cheap entry kits from Moza or Fanatec ) and stay the heck away from Thrustmaster.

[Mattmattmatt]

T300 has wheel flex too, creaky plastic sounds, Easy to shred the mount because its made from plastic. Its not a wheel thats going to last an average racer more than 3 years. Mine never overheated atleast.

[Pattrone]

Thank you all for your help, i read through all the comments and i do apologise for the late reply as i was busy over easter. I got a bit impatient and got the t300 as one of my friends said he had both the t300 and the moza r5 and they are not much different at all, the r5 is smoother but thats obvious as its a dd, thats what my friend said at least.

So i decided to get t300 and later down the line upgrade to a moza r16 or r21 for a dd that i hope i will keep for a lifetime, with the r5 sooner or later i would want to upgrade anyway so getting t300 would save me a bit of cash for a upgrade later.
The t300 feels like a massive upgrade over the logi wheels and it feels amazing (ive only experienced gear driven wheels till now)

[derSanitoeter]

your friend has no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue.

he cant feel the difference between a dd wheel like a R5 and a cheap crappy T300RS?

your friend better sells his R5 to you and drive with a controller...