ONLY about setups

[rob_every05]

This title has now established itself as basically being ONLY about setups. If you know the tricks and little cheats you will be fine, if you don't you will be an also ran. Seconds a lap from everyone.

The defaults are pretty much completely useless unless on newer models, everything else is completely out of date and almost worthless.

it has basically developed into a game only freaks, aliens and sweats can play and enjoy rather than a game anyone can pick up.

The setups are now so riduclously important in this game you can literally drive without one and be about as quick as you would be on default safe and aggressive, not in every car I admit, but in most cars.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by rob_every05:

This title has now established itself as basically being ONLY about setups. If you know the tricks and little cheats you will be fine, if you don't you will be an also ran. Seconds a lap from everyone.

The defaults are pretty much completely useless unless on newer models, everything else is completely out of date and almost worthless.

it has basically developed into a game only freaks, aliens and sweats can play and enjoy rather than a game anyone can pick up.

The setups are now so riduclously important in this game you can literally drive without one and be about as quick as you would be on default safe and aggressive, not in every car I admit, but in most cars.

Honestly, if you dont mind "how fast you are" and just drive among others, it is enjoyable for everyone of all skills.

[EF_Neo1st]

If you mind "how fast you are", no matter what server you join, you will find people faster and much faster than you (even on defaults and on older cars) so . . . it is more a "on you" there than the setups.
If you want to be faster, be faster even if it takes time . . . or setups . . . or "the DLC" as you say (tho, again, after the 1.9 update I managed to sort of return to close to my previous best times on the exact same default on the Ferrari EVO, I just complain about the FFB there as the lack of FFB feeling on the older cars mess my consistency and the FFB problem remain so I believe Kunos wont give a flying f### about the FFB on older cars, but the default still delivering, given consistency, at least to me).

[mug23_2000]

Don't forget that this is still a simulator in which it suppose to simulate the real car as much as possible. In the real races, not everyone will just simply hop in and enjoy driving it. It will take bunch of setups, that's why there are race engineers in race teams and data engineers. All of the car requires good setup to be fast.

If you want something just to hop in and be good, this may not for you. Something like Forza or even GT7 may fit your needs. Otherwise, you will need to spend the time to learn the cars and how it suits your driving style. Don't forget, real teams spend majority of their time testing the setup of the car and this is a simulator after all, right?

[nono782]

This subject again...
Learning how to make a setup is part of simracing, so bad defaults shouldn't be an issue.

[Damien]

The thing is that the defaults aren't that bad. I feel it's the drivers expectations and illusions that are shattered by this sim. I think they work great if you drive the cars with discipline and understand how to drive a car and have a buttcrack feel of the way the car moves.
I'm not a "great driver" but decent and have played different kind of games/sims from rallying to F1 to this. When in VR I'm just there, the feel of the wheel the sound of the car driving with setups I'm 3s of the track record in places like Brands Hatch. Tracks I know or have driven them in different places. That's good in my opinion and just shows how awesome this game is as a sim. I always know when I make a mistake and sometimes can surprise myself by carrying more speed on a bigger gear through a corner when pushing fast lap. I feel it's all me and nothing else that makes it or breaks it. Yes I'm in love with ACC. My number one racing sim, the best feel with a single payment model. (I have never tried of iRacing because of the pricing)

[goblueteam]

well i think the thing with sim racing is especially ACC is most of the people we are comparing ourselves too are actual esports/youtuber drivers that are pretty much doing this as a full time job.

sim racing is sort of a small community i think like 5000-10000 people play ACC maybe probably 3000-4000 regular players on ACC that is a small amount of people and probably 500 of those are esports drivers or have 3000 hours+ in the game or just people who are practicing daily for hours so idk the odds of running into fast people or only seeing really fast guys on youtube are pretty high.

i do think there seems to be a lot of idk "exploits" where you can cut the track more or some setup tricks on some tracks/cars and stuff like that. that only people spending tons of time in the game are gonna know or people that are part of esport races and hear rumors and test things out.

anyways i do feel like tuning the setups give so much more control and consistency while being faster and better on tires i mean many of the top drivers also make setups and sell them and make pretty good money off of it so its clearly effective and does matter if your really trying to compete at a high skill level.

for me personally i would of quit after a few months of the game if tuning the setup wasnt an option because the stock setups are really bad for me to drive usually like i can barely do a lap type of bad for me. and if i do get a clean lap in its seconds off my normal pace and a struggle to do that even.

so i think it makes a big difference if your someone who learned ACC using the base stock setups or if you are someone who tuned the setups as you progressed in ACC.

[nono782]

I don’t gain much times with my ACC setups, may be an average 1s per lap.
In AC it was more, especially with the possibility to set the gearbox.

[Damien]

I can also cater my driving styles with specialized personal setups that allow me as a driver to make more mistakes by driving more aggressively. Recently Ive just gone with the defaults and tbh I think it makes me a better driver. I have to be more precise to be faster without the possibility to lean on more my angles. This is probably the philosophy I'm trying to explain, do the setups, but drive the defaults also, learn the tracks, observe yourself, be in the moment, try no think but feel the hole thing and think about the race afterwards, record yourself. Be a better driver overall, how lucky you have to be to get to experience this kind of magic. I've played these kind of games since the 80s, this what we have today is so awesome. Lets face it ordinary people don't have other means to enjoy these things irl like we get to with ACC. Cheers o/

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Damien:

I can also cater my driving styles with specialized personal setups that allow me as a driver to make more mistakes by driving more aggressively. Recently Ive just gone with the defaults and tbh I think it makes me a better driver. I have to be more precise to be faster without the possibility to lean on more my angles. This is probably the philosophy I'm trying to explain, do the setups, but drive the defaults also, learn the tracks, observe yourself, be in the moment, try no think but feel the hole thing and think about the race afterwards, record yourself. Be a better driver overall, how lucky you have to be to get to experience this kind of magic. I've played these kind of games since the 80s, this what we have today is so awesome. Lets face it ordinary people don't have other means to enjoy these things irl like we get to with ACC. Cheers o/

Yesterday I was racing at Misano, some 20~25min race (it was 30min but I joined late) and I was racing within 1:33.8 to 1:34.3, could do laps under 1:34.0 and was with even more fuel than the time I did my first 33.9, it was also 8°C but my tyres were also under psi and very cold so I dont know how much it affected my driving but prob not by much (I screwed a 1:33.6 and lost focus, driving worst by the lap, aybe some other day).
Default safe with lower brake bias, engine map 1 and tyres psi were adjusted for 21°C so "not properly adjusted for 8°C, but still delivered".

And yes, I use the default to learn and push it as hard as I can utnil I find the point where I can not learn or gain anytyhing else from it . . . I still have to push so I will keep pushing.

[thief_035]

consistency > setups

got some very aggressive setups from an alien. done most of my PBs with them but never gave me a podium in a 40+ mins race.
aliens dont only know how to squeeze every tenth available by finding the perfect value for every single digit of the setups pages for the track conditions of their races.
their biggest strength is that they can pull out with that setup low and mid 16's for 30 laps straight at belgium. so even if you find a setup that can give you these times and you can handle it, with two laps of high 18s and another two of low 19s because of minor mistakes, you are out...

same as in RL racing. this is a simulator rob. freaks win

[nono782]

setup for hot lap is not the same as setup for race.

[goblueteam]

idk i think its all just personal preference you can gain a lot of confidence by having a setup you feel good about and for me i have never felt good about any default setup for maybe my first 1000 hours i started with the default setups and would tune them using motec and stuff at some point it did become kind of ... idk useless feeling because there were still random strange min/max type of adjustments that would always prove to be faster and more stable and just more grip for longer.
like max-toe(doesnt really work now) min on your wheel rates and all that and max on your rear dampers min on the front dampers or some strange crap like that.

after this i just started downloading free setups from fri3d0lf on youtube and occasionally jardiers setups on his newer website

pretty much compared to my own setups the fri3d0lf setups usually gave me a decent gain in time over my own setups .2-.5 gain some tracks even more and just overall felt more consistent in pretty much every way.
i think i did like a 133.4 on oulton park with a fri3d0lf setup and had never got under 134 before that with my own setup and not even below 135 on a stock setup
and i pretty much was able to even do 33s with 45 min race fuel when you have an experience like that its really hard to go back to struggling to get around the track

in my opinion if its hard to get close to your pb(consider fuel load and track condition) pretty much right away and stay within .5 of that.
i mean honestly sometimes im shocked to hit almost the same exact lap time 10 laps in a row with in .1-.2 even these days with out much practice to me if this does not come pretty easy or the car is constantly making it hard to do i will not drive that setup GT3 cars should not be that hard to drive especially considering we are all sort of far off a fast pace.

to me i think a lot of the default setups lead to making mistakes or cause mistakes because the cars just need 10 adjustments to make it through a corner compared to just getting through the corner without struggle at all

also keep in mind i pretty much have not driven any of the new cars with default setups much at all maybe the mclaren evo 2 i had to just quickly come up with a setup when it first came out but yea more or less im speaking about the cars availible before 1.9 i think i tried the ferrari 296 for some laps and idk it felt ok but still after a couple adjustments it was much better i think i did a total of 20 laps in this car maybe so far lol.

i also did about 4 laps in the new lambo and though it was complete garbage i could not even complete a lap clean and was 3 seconds off what i was doing in the ferrari right before that.

so everyone is different some people are really liking the new lambo and its made some extremely fast laps.
for me though i would not feel bad if i never did a lap in it again i mean i would prefer to never do a lap in it again lol i do think if i messed with the setup i could probably work with it though and its nice to have that as an option.

anyways i think staying on defaults for to long could hold you back at least on ACC i do think it matters what car as well from what i have heard the new ferrari doesnt need as much setup work or the setup stuff doesnt change it as much as some other cars i would say in general the new ferrari feels like it has grip even with the default not every car has this and some cars straight up just go straight with every input on the default that is how the lambo felt for me.

the track also matters too some cars just seem to have much more grip and speed on some tracks idk if this is due to BOP or what it is but it is pretty noticable if you just rotate through cars on a single track

often times i would choose what car i would take for a race by just doing 4 laps per car and just taking w/e i felt the best in after 3-4 cars sometimes it was a huge difference in how the car handled the track.
sometimes i would do this after practicing with a car for 20 laps and feeling slow then id hop in another car and do over 1 second faster lap on the first lap after the outlap many times it was not even a car i used often and i tried this because my typical cars just seemed off pace stuff like this is pretty much on every track where 1-2 cars will just feel like they have extra grip and can do things the others can not its not always the same cars.

[nono782]

Goblueteam, I will be off topic but I have a question :
Have you ever done a short answer here ? lol

[goblueteam]

i mean i guess i just feel like i have to explain my self and also try to give some examples why i feel how i feel instead of just leaving some comment without any sort of context.

i do get that it probably makes many people more confused or just not read it at all but w/e

im making comments for myself just as much for everyone else.

i also think i probably have spent a lot of time with ACC just as much time out of the game doing research as playing the game so i have a pretty big bank of ACC data in my head 1700 hours+ in game and probably even more doing research out of the game.

i think i type a lot because im actually a really quite person IRL and in a format like this i can kind of get into a flow that i do not get into IRL and before i know it i typed a whole book out lol.

it is what it is ACC gets my juices flowing what can i say lately mostly negative stuff but still I hope i can find my way back to enjoying the game and also being able to type some of the negative stuff out can help me see things different or analyze my own BS lol

[goblueteam]

i mean that was almost short