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scoobysi 15 ENE 2020 a las 2:40 p. m.
Nicki Thiim (GT3 driver) driving ACC (again)
Last time I saw Nicki drive ACC he was quite critical, in particular of the kerbs. I haven’t watched it all yet but he seems very impressed with ACC now, in particular the Chassis flex.

https://youtu.be/_07VHa0y1nI
Última edición por scoobysi; 15 ENE 2020 a las 2:41 p. m.
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MoonDust 16 ENE 2020 a las 12:39 a. m. 
Interesting to watch these guys trying the sim and giving their feedback.

I'm slightly skeptical of their comments as the sim is licensed, and these guys race for real, so I see it as part of their job to give an opinion, but he does seem to genuinely enjoy it.

Some of his comments were intriguing to say the least, so it does seem his comments are his own and not bought.
rola 16 ENE 2020 a las 4:42 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MoonDust:
Interesting to watch these guys trying the sim and giving their feedback.

I'm slightly skeptical of their comments as the sim is licensed, and these guys race for real, so I see it as part of their job to give an opinion, but he does seem to genuinely enjoy it.

Some of his comments were intriguing to say the least, so it does seem his comments are his own and not bought.
>see it as part of their job to give an opinion
well clearly not a biased opinion, considering he absolutely ♥♥♥♥ on the game when it first released.
Mr Deap 16 ENE 2020 a las 11:12 a. m. 
He's 4 sec off pace of the alien. Yep, good simulation value.

Real pro race driver can't teach you how to drive sim racing.
maelstrom_19 16 ENE 2020 a las 11:20 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mr Deap:
Real pro race driver can't teach you how to drive sim racing.

But he can tell you if it seems realistic.
rola 16 ENE 2020 a las 11:41 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mr Deap:
He's 4 sec off pace of the alien. Yep, good simulation value.

Real pro race driver can't teach you how to drive sim racing.

people like you make me wish there was a vote ban feature for unmoderated steam forums

also, david hasnt been playing proper sims for that long, and probably has like 20 hours at max in ACC - its not enough for him to get properly adjusted to the different feedback compared to the real car (because no g-forces, and everything in wheel vs on your body)

The racing lines are the same, braking technique is the same, throttle technique is mostly the same (compare real onboards). he just needs the confidence in the car, which he will only get by driving sims more.
Última edición por rola; 16 ENE 2020 a las 11:48 a. m.
MakeMeLaugh 16 ENE 2020 a las 12:11 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por HighRoLa:
Publicado originalmente por Mr Deap:
He's 4 sec off pace of the alien. Yep, good simulation value.

Real pro race driver can't teach you how to drive sim racing.

people like you make me wish there was a vote ban feature for unmoderated steam forums

also, david hasnt been playing proper sims for that long, and probably has like 20 hours at max in ACC - its not enough for him to get properly adjusted to the different feedback compared to the real car (because no g-forces, and everything in wheel vs on your body)

The racing lines are the same, braking technique is the same, throttle technique is mostly the same (compare real onboards). he just needs the confidence in the car, which he will only get by driving sims more.

That thing is a weeb, what can you expect from it?
LeoHi 16 ENE 2020 a las 1:06 p. m. 
If you follow enough simracing forums, you'll know that Mr Deap has a whole lot to say about simracing all the time, but hardly ever anything makes any slightest bit of sense...

Check the Brands Hatch quali on the stream for example. Nicki was 1.371 seconds off the pole sitter. And that lobby had some of the crazy fast guys in ACC in it, including P.Simard who has even set some world record times in the game during the early access period atleast. Track in general didn't feel super grippy in these lobbies (due to weather coditions), so simply comparing laptimes with some others you see on the internet is absolutely pointless.

And you got to keep in mind that Nicki did this with minimal to non-existant practise and a preset setup without full optimization of fuel, tyre pressures and all that jazz. That's mighty impressive considering he basically just jumped in to have fun and drove almost only using his real life experience and knowledge on how the Aston needs to be driven. With more practise in ACC and finetuning the setups, there's no doubt he could be mighty fast.

Saying his opinion doesn't matter is just absurd. Feedback from guys like Nicki who do a lot of both real-life and simracing is simply the best feedback Kunos can ever wish for.

"I've been waiting for this day, that I can drive a race car online, like I would drive a race car in real life" - that quote from him is the highest praise a sim can ever get.


Mr Deap 16 ENE 2020 a las 2:29 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por LeoHi:
If you follow enough simracing forums, you'll know that Mr Deap has a whole lot to say about simracing all the time, but hardly ever anything makes any slightest bit of sense...
Well yeah, history keep repeating itself... Pro driver still 4+sec off pace, until he exploit.
scoobysi 16 ENE 2020 a las 2:42 p. m. 


Publicado originalmente por Mr Deap:
Publicado originalmente por LeoHi:
If you follow enough simracing forums, you'll know that Mr Deap has a whole lot to say about simracing all the time, but hardly ever anything makes any slightest bit of sense...
Well yeah, history keep repeating itself... Pro driver still 4+sec off pace, until he exploit.

As if to prove your point LeoHi.
(ง︡'-'︠)ง Hor Hay J 16 ENE 2020 a las 8:10 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mr Deap:
Publicado originalmente por LeoHi:
If you follow enough simracing forums, you'll know that Mr Deap has a whole lot to say about simracing all the time, but hardly ever anything makes any slightest bit of sense...
Well yeah, history keep repeating itself... Pro driver still 4+sec off pace, until he exploit.
Who cares Sim racing is Sim racing and not real life...enjoy it for what it is
rola 17 ENE 2020 a las 12:40 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mr Deap:
Publicado originalmente por LeoHi:
If you follow enough simracing forums, you'll know that Mr Deap has a whole lot to say about simracing all the time, but hardly ever anything makes any slightest bit of sense...
Well yeah, history keep repeating itself... Pro driver still 4+sec off pace, until he exploit.

How does he exploit? If you watched the damn stream, he was using the DEFAULT AGGRESSIVE (!!!) setup, was braking at the perfect point and taking the optimal line.

Just sounds like youre very slow, and anyone that is faster must be exploiting... mad cuz bad. Go cry elsewhere, neckbeard :p
Última edición por rola; 17 ENE 2020 a las 12:47 a. m.
scoobysi 17 ENE 2020 a las 6:08 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por LeoHi:
"I've been waiting for this day, that I can drive a race car online, like I would drive a race car in real life" - that quote from him is the highest praise a sim can ever get.

Exactly this, if a racing driver can drive the SIM like a real race car and get similar feelings in terms of grip and weight transfer then that’s what I’m looking for. Kunos have done a fantastic job with ACC and should be rightly proud.

Kunos should ask Nicki if they can quote him on the (virtual) box :).


Mr Deap 17 ENE 2020 a las 7:52 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por HighRoLa:
Publicado originalmente por Mr Deap:
Well yeah, history keep repeating itself... Pro driver still 4+sec off pace, until he exploit.

How does he exploit? If you watched the damn stream, he was using the DEFAULT AGGRESSIVE (!!!) setup, was braking at the perfect point and taking the optimal line.

Just sounds like youre very slow, and anyone that is faster must be exploiting... mad cuz bad. Go cry elsewhere, neckbeard :p
It's the way you have to brake to simulate trail braking. There's many instance where he flick the steering while holding the brake pressure. I call it exploit, because that's not how you trailbrake in real life & it's not very publicly documented.

The real method is you have to ease off the brake before you turn in, but it's the opposite in ACC. If you don't do it, the car automatically understeer, so you're stuck only playing with people who know it & 99.9% of the player don't so... yeah...
scoobysi 17 ENE 2020 a las 8:39 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mr Deap:
Publicado originalmente por HighRoLa:

How does he exploit? If you watched the damn stream, he was using the DEFAULT AGGRESSIVE (!!!) setup, was braking at the perfect point and taking the optimal line.

Just sounds like youre very slow, and anyone that is faster must be exploiting... mad cuz bad. Go cry elsewhere, neckbeard :p
It's the way you have to brake to simulate trail braking. There's many instance where he flick the steering while holding the brake pressure. I call it exploit, because that's not how you trailbrake in real life & it's not very publicly documented.

The real method is you have to ease off the brake before you turn in, but it's the opposite in ACC. If you don't do it, the car automatically understeer, so you're stuck only playing with people who know it & 99.9% of the player don't so... yeah...

Did you hear what he said, he’s now able to drive the car in the SIM (for the first time) as he does in real life, that’s not an exploit. He’s a Racing Driver with skill (real not SIM) way beyond most of us, a number of times in the SIM when he got out of shape I thought, woah I wouldn’t of saved that.
Shadowfrost 17 ENE 2020 a las 12:02 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por scoobysi:
Publicado originalmente por Mr Deap:
It's the way you have to brake to simulate trail braking. There's many instance where he flick the steering while holding the brake pressure. I call it exploit, because that's not how you trailbrake in real life & it's not very publicly documented.

The real method is you have to ease off the brake before you turn in, but it's the opposite in ACC. If you don't do it, the car automatically understeer, so you're stuck only playing with people who know it & 99.9% of the player don't so... yeah...

Did you hear what he said, he’s now able to drive the car in the SIM (for the first time) as he does in real life, that’s not an exploit. He’s a Racing Driver with skill (real not SIM) way beyond most of us, a number of times in the SIM when he got out of shape I thought, woah I wouldn’t of saved that.

Well thats just fine, but you need to look at how the fastest people "aliens" drive and see if its still realistic to real world driving or not. And thats not a knock on ACC, every simulator deals with that to an extent. You can drive every sim like you would IRL for the most part, but how fast will you go? If you can drive realistically and be 5 tenths off vs 1.5 seconds in other simulators thats very good. As it means the areas of exploitation that aren't in line with IRL have been decreased. I imagine what he means in ACC, is that driving in a realistic manner is the closest so far of any sim.

I think what the above guy is mentioning about the brake flick is what pros do and not Nicki thiim, as many sims have had or still have that exploit.

I'm no pro on the level of Nicki Thiim but I do have real life experience racing, mainly in a Porsche 944. (Think MX-5 spec, but Porsche). I have found that Iracing, ACC, AC all do certain things better than the other and reasons why I prefer driving them over one another. I enjoy them all at the end of the day. But with every update to ACC, AC starts to no longer be a factor as various issues are fixed.
I still prefer Iracing's feeling of chassis movement, but I suspect part of that is just due to me not having my wheel setup correctly for ACC just yet or learning bias at is was the first simulator I used. Also, there are many things ACC does better than Iracing without a doubt. Iracing's tire model comes to mind as being a big area needed for improvement due to several reasons.
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