CANNOT GO FLAT ON EAU ROUGE

[Micnasr]

im using the mercedes amg 2015 gt3 car and tried so many setups and people on youtube who showed they can go flat out through eau rouge but when I try it i crash i understeer way too much. I have to lift so much and then im like 10s off the pace.

Help is appreciated

[rob_every05]

It does not matter, if you cannot go flat there, it is the Holy Grail of idiots and streamers who spend hours on setups etc.

And even if you can it hardly gains you much more than a tenth on a well timed lift and good line, you are far better off concentrating on other parts of thee track. The last chicane will gain you far more time if you get it right.

I had a guy crash into me weeks ago who I moaned about, who then spent about half an hour telling everyone in the server how I was not taking it flat, when I replied with yes but my lap time is .7 faster than yours (in his repaired car mine was damaged) he shut up!

And I was not going that fast really, fast there is sub 2.20, mega fast is 18.s but these people are not playing the same game so why take any interest, just laugh at them and move on.

[76561199196510916]

10 seconds off pace is a lot and there must be other reasons ...

Look at race lap times of guys going flat in Eau Rouge and you will see that they are often red (off-track)
In Spa, some 'fast' racers are often or always off-track ...

[mug23_2000]

Try the BMW M4 GT3. You can go flat out in 5th gear without lift. Try the aggressive setup. Corner entry is very important to be able to go flat out.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by rob_every05:

It does not matter, if you cannot go flat there, it is the Holy Grail of idiots and streamers who spend hours on setups etc.

And even if you can it hardly gains you much more than a tenth on a well timed lift and good line, you are far better off concentrating on other parts of thee track. The last chicane will gain you far more time if you get it right.

I had a guy crash into me weeks ago who I moaned about, who then spent about half an hour telling everyone in the server how I was not taking it flat, when I replied with yes but my lap time is .7 faster than yours (in his repaired car mine was damaged) he shut up!

And I was not going that fast really, fast there is sub 2.20, mega fast is 18.s but these people are not playing the same game so why take any interest, just laugh at them and move on.

I can go flat there with both default safe and aggressive on Ferrari EVO, also Spa is a bad track to me but I can reach sub 2:20 at 20min races and I know people that can do even sub 2:18 on defaults, still you say it is setup.

rob, stop complaining and the only difference is skill and knowledge, that you seem to dont have both to get there and that is just it.

[d-^^eathstare>]

what the... cant get good timings if the setups dont suit you... so it is all about the setup... a setup that fits you

[Bexx]

There are cars which let you go easier flat in eau rouge than others. My main car is ferrari and I struggle there flat out. I need to accept and just do a good timed lift to do it safe and still fast, or I risk struggle, invalid lap, loose time or worst case the car.
The best laps ( low 20s) I've done with controlled driving, not with mindless overpush.
As said above, the gain is less than a safe constant drive in a race!

[76561199196510916]

Dont forget that 'flat out' speed depends on how you manage La Source curve ...
The quickest you are at La Source exit, the more difficult to stay flat out in Raidillon (within track limits ...)

And of course it depends also on the car gearbox settings

[rob_every05]

My comment about setups was not just about the in game car setups.

They are often designed to suit a certain style of driving, as when you find a default that works, it works for you, whereas on another car it might be miles off, it depends on how you drive. And who developed it at Kunos, some of the older cars have horrific defaults.

Aliens understand the physics of the game, how to exploit them, often have very good kit, and machines and practice relentlessly.

it is no shock to me that even in high SA public servers the temp is always set as low as possible, this is to allow aliens to exploit the speed more than mere mortals, they set their cars up very carefully, I don't mean trick setups, more wheel settings for each car, brake bias setups changed lots of times a lap, if you have done thousands of laps this makes a difference to them as they can tell. I cant and I don't wish to, it takes the fun out of the challenge for me. These guys will see a track temp in the top right and instantly know in ANY car what pressures to use, again that is just a bit sad to me sorry.

It is a game, not life, fair enough if you are wanting to compete in Esports these things are important, but that is about 0.0001% of players and they have no life, only this.

I ahve reached a level I am happy with, on most tracks I can win, and I have neither the time or interest to be that dedicated, does it mean I respect them,m in a small way yes, but in many ways I find it a bit sad, as I am fairly sure a lot of these guy are clinging to a hope they might get paid to race, or even think they might be good for real in real cars.

And all that really matters there usually is money.

[grizta30]

Originally posted by rob_every05:

My comment about setups was not just about the in game car setups.

They are often designed to suit a certain style of driving, as when you find a default that works, it works for you, whereas on another car it might be miles off, it depends on how you drive. And who developed it at Kunos, some of the older cars have horrific defaults.

Aliens understand the physics of the game, how to exploit them, often have very good kit, and machines and practice relentlessly.

it is no shock to me that even in high SA public servers the temp is always set as low as possible, this is to allow aliens to exploit the speed more than mere mortals, they set their cars up very carefully, I don't mean trick setups, more wheel settings for each car, brake bias setups changed lots of times a lap, if you have done thousands of laps this makes a difference to them as they can tell. I cant and I don't wish to, it takes the fun out of the challenge for me. These guys will see a track temp in the top right and instantly know in ANY car what pressures to use, again that is just a bit sad to me sorry.

It is a game, not life, fair enough if you are wanting to compete in Esports these things are important, but that is about 0.0001% of players and they have no life, only this.

I ahve reached a level I am happy with, on most tracks I can win, and I have neither the time or interest to be that dedicated, does it mean I respect them,m in a small way yes, but in many ways I find it a bit sad, as I am fairly sure a lot of these guy are clinging to a hope they might get paid to race, or even think they might be good for real in real cars.

And all that really matters there usually is money.

Honestly i've never came across someone with such a big chip on their shoulder, there will always be people better than you at something, get over it and stop obsessing about it.
To the original question, as said above some cars are easier than others, the m4 is easy flat as well as a few others that i forget, its all about practice, give it time and you will get there.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by rob_every05:

My comment about setups was not just about the in game car setups.

They are often designed to suit a certain style of driving, as when you find a default that works, it works for you, whereas on another car it might be miles off, it depends on how you drive. And who developed it at Kunos, some of the older cars have horrific defaults.

Aliens understand the physics of the game, how to exploit them, often have very good kit, and machines and practice relentlessly.

it is no shock to me that even in high SA public servers the temp is always set as low as possible, this is to allow aliens to exploit the speed more than mere mortals, they set their cars up very carefully, I don't mean trick setups, more wheel settings for each car, brake bias setups changed lots of times a lap, if you have done thousands of laps this makes a difference to them as they can tell. I cant and I don't wish to, it takes the fun out of the challenge for me. These guys will see a track temp in the top right and instantly know in ANY car what pressures to use, again that is just a bit sad to me sorry.

It is a game, not life, fair enough if you are wanting to compete in Esports these things are important, but that is about 0.0001% of players and they have no life, only this.

I ahve reached a level I am happy with, on most tracks I can win, and I have neither the time or interest to be that dedicated, does it mean I respect them,m in a small way yes, but in many ways I find it a bit sad, as I am fairly sure a lot of these guy are clinging to a hope they might get paid to race, or even think they might be good for real in real cars.

And all that really matters there usually is money.

No, you have reached a level where you could not improve beyond and if you was actually happy with it you would not call the aliens as "Playing other game" or "exploiting only" or "wehatever else you already said", you would just accept you are not that good and would not say or complain about it as you say over and over, period.

[Micnasr]

Originally posted by grizta30:

Originally posted by rob_every05:

My comment about setups was not just about the in game car setups.

They are often designed to suit a certain style of driving, as when you find a default that works, it works for you, whereas on another car it might be miles off, it depends on how you drive. And who developed it at Kunos, some of the older cars have horrific defaults.

Aliens understand the physics of the game, how to exploit them, often have very good kit, and machines and practice relentlessly.

it is no shock to me that even in high SA public servers the temp is always set as low as possible, this is to allow aliens to exploit the speed more than mere mortals, they set their cars up very carefully, I don't mean trick setups, more wheel settings for each car, brake bias setups changed lots of times a lap, if you have done thousands of laps this makes a difference to them as they can tell. I cant and I don't wish to, it takes the fun out of the challenge for me. These guys will see a track temp in the top right and instantly know in ANY car what pressures to use, again that is just a bit sad to me sorry.

It is a game, not life, fair enough if you are wanting to compete in Esports these things are important, but that is about 0.0001% of players and they have no life, only this.

I ahve reached a level I am happy with, on most tracks I can win, and I have neither the time or interest to be that dedicated, does it mean I respect them,m in a small way yes, but in many ways I find it a bit sad, as I am fairly sure a lot of these guy are clinging to a hope they might get paid to race, or even think they might be good for real in real cars.

And all that really matters there usually is money.

Honestly i've never came across someone with such a big chip on their shoulder, there will always be people better than you at something, get over it and stop obsessing about it.
To the original question, as said above some cars are easier than others, the m4 is easy flat as well as a few others that i forget, its all about practice, give it time and you will get there.

if i cant flat out with the m4 im giving up on my skill level lmaoo, Im good at monza, I can get constant 1:51 (before you pulvarize me yes i know pros get in the 47s but im able to be competitive with those times)

Any other easy maps like monza I can learn that are popular online? I hate spa because I always crash because im trash

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Micnasr:

Originally posted by grizta30:

Honestly i've never came across someone with such a big chip on their shoulder, there will always be people better than you at something, get over it and stop obsessing about it.
To the original question, as said above some cars are easier than others, the m4 is easy flat as well as a few others that i forget, its all about practice, give it time and you will get there.

if i cant flat out with the m4 im giving up on my skill level lmaoo, Im good at monza, I can get constant 1:51 (before you pulvarize me yes i know pros get in the 47s but im able to be competitive with those times)

Any other easy maps like monza I can learn that are popular online? I hate spa because I always crash because im trash

Misano

[EF_Neo1st]

The "competitive" depend on your frame of reference.
From an alien standpoint you are very slow and hopeless against.
From a fast driver you are slow and still beyond their reach.
From an average driver (the average times at Monza) you are competitive fast.
From a rookie driver you are fast beyond their reach.
From a beginner at simracing you are very fast and they are hopeless against you.

Still, if you take beginner vs beginner they can be competitive to each other and so on, it all depend on your frame of reference.
That is also why a league is recommended, not only you may find drivers regularly and find drivers of about your pace that you can have fights with and know tracks you do better or worst than they, you can be on an environment where driving experience and knowledge can be shared and practice sessions together also be done in a friendly environment without the randomness and bulls**t a**holes of open lobbies.

[Micnasr]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

The "competitive" depend on your frame of reference.
From an alien standpoint you are very slow and hopeless against.
From a fast driver you are slow and still beyond their reach.
From an average driver (the average times at Monza) you are competitive fast.
From a rookie driver you are fast beyond their reach.
From a beginner at simracing you are very fast and they are hopeless against you.

Still, if you take beginner vs beginner they can be competitive to each other and so on, it all depend on your frame of reference.
That is also why a league is recommended, not only you may find drivers regularly and find drivers of about your pace that you can have fights with and know tracks you do better or worst than they, you can be on an environment where driving experience and knowledge can be shared and practice sessions together also be done in a friendly environment without the randomness and bulls**t a**holes of open lobbies.

Finding a league is annoying because they do races like once a week when I want to do multiple per day

[mug23_2000]

Originally posted by Micnasr:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

The "competitive" depend on your frame of reference.
From an alien standpoint you are very slow and hopeless against.
From a fast driver you are slow and still beyond their reach.
From an average driver (the average times at Monza) you are competitive fast.
From a rookie driver you are fast beyond their reach.
From a beginner at simracing you are very fast and they are hopeless against you.

Still, if you take beginner vs beginner they can be competitive to each other and so on, it all depend on your frame of reference.
That is also why a league is recommended, not only you may find drivers regularly and find drivers of about your pace that you can have fights with and know tracks you do better or worst than they, you can be on an environment where driving experience and knowledge can be shared and practice sessions together also be done in a friendly environment without the randomness and bulls**t a**holes of open lobbies.

Finding a league is annoying because they do races like once a week when I want to do multiple per day

If you want to race multiple times per day, LFM is the only logical choice right now for ACC.