HOW ACC COULD add our MOST WANTED track: nurburgring nordschleife

[XShockedRelicX]

This Track IS used in Real Life for Training and practice before the SRO series. <- basis for the thoughts i provide.

[Edit] Its not for online, strictly for singleplayer, as i said as its used in real life... just like the creatiors said: 'we use it for practice and training, as do competitors'
Im not buying a game thats not ACC, its my go to sim, pleass lets stick on topic, you can discuss FFB and cars you like somewhere else, im trying to find a good argumet as to how and why this track should be added, and im saying single player, practice/hotlaps just so many people who want to test themselfs on the most challenging track can have the chance, the less skilled need not apply.


For practice/training like it is in real life, as ACC said, its because its not in the cups currently, and that teams and the ACC team use it for training/practice so should we, and it keeps with their code of sticking to the reality of GT racing, without infringing on any issues already addressed, and i spent the last 2 weeks 2hr a day reading and watching videos of the creators and researching this problem, and it is a problem, because so much of their skilled player base and racing lovers so badly wish to have this map. as to why we cant have the nurburgring nordschleife, they can please a large userbase and money with my suggestion; the users of the sim and the people who want to play this sim and test themselves to the absolute max allowed by technology. And for this sim with its advancments not to have this track, even if its for training/practicing as in real life, is a head scracher, but because it doesn't have nurburgring nordschleife, many may think twice, i did at first.
we can appease everyone by adding the track in this way, and not step on any contracts/licences, if one SRO team uses this track for practice/training, then by default it leaves the door open to allow this track within this great sim.

please can we lobby for the map in this way?

[Trezoitao38]

Escrito originalmente por skankhunt42:

YOUR most wanted track.
IMO most overrated track, sheep think it's special just because of the length of it.
What would you gain from training on it VS training on actual tracks you're going to race on?

In fact, Nordschleife is a road, not exactly a track. You can see this in old videos, the corners are there just because of the geography, not because some human designed.

Another thing that confirms this is Nordschleife are always guiding the cars to one place. For example, after you do a corner left side, it is in almost all cases a corner to the right next. Also, there is no track inside the circuit, it is just external because it is just a connexion of different roads. Take Magny Cours as a example of opposite.

But from all of that road is the only one that really appears to be designed by some human. like it is just a big circuit with some thoughts on the design of corners.

So, Nordschleife is a big track that feels as a road, but at the same time there a lot of corners that appears made for a circuit. This mixed feeling is something you get from this track only, not other track in the other can provide the same.

From other tracks, like Old Spa, you are correct. It was interesting because it was so dangerous and fast, but boring to drive in simulators. The new track from 80's is way better.

[XShockedRelicX]

Escrito originalmente por skankhunt42:

YOUR most wanted track.
IMO most overrated track, sheep think it's special just because of the length of it.
What would you gain from training on it VS training on actual tracks you're going to race on?

Not according to me, im not doing this for selfish reasions, im doing this for the many people who arnt in your discord or fabook group or whatever. Im doing this because they needed a valid reasion to add it, because the creators of ACC love the track and want to add it but couldnt according to previous logic, the logic i provide has no excuses as to why not this time; it also satisifies the creteria set forth by the ACC creators. I am trying to appease a large player base, and the ACC devs at the same time, according to previous reasions : " we want this track please"
Responce(roughly each time): its not used by SRO champ. Races we have going or have done, we want this track also but to keep it real we cant currently add it"

My reasioning states, this track can and should be added for practice and training like real teams do in REAL LIFE before the start SRO events, and given that we should aslo be able to to keep with reality and there is a reasion, there are REAL teams that use this track before SRO events, thats not an opinion, they use it for the reasion or practice/training (puts them at an advantage because we cannot), and so should we. Not for compitition, but for ourselves(single player practice/training, maybe even hotlaps), to learn the car better, to even push ourselves to the limit of memory, and agility, and consistancy, before a major or even minor champ. Event ..maybe.

even testing new drivers on sim racing teams/groups >im not in a team but many are and its a great way to determine someones ability and focus and what they can really drive like if its not a repetitive track and if they have to use the 'ideal line cheat' to have any success

I assume your a mechanical engineer and you are well versed in fluid dynamics and classical physics? You must me smarter then the actual teams of people who do this before a real race.. for a living.
For a few, its to test the limit of the machine your sitting in, to be sure mods. Made to the machine are were you want them to be, to test aerodynamics and their advancments(the nord has many climate types during any given lap, raining in one section, fog after sunshine, and then maybe some strong winds,) whilst testing and gathering GB of data from suspension, tireware, wheel control, practicing, engine temp, engineware, fuel use and temp, make sure the driver still has skill required, and ability to stay focused, and oil use and temp for an endurance race, TC and ABS advances/changes studying, fuel consumption vs predicted use, wheel spin, shift timing, over/understeer turns, breaking timing on turns, weight distr. And Center of gravity, new code for their computer systems that help with the car (written in C++, most fun language ever after years of use) and much, much more. But due to attention spans of many people now a days i bet your not reading this.
This track provides so many different turns and its so technical that it can be used to test very specific aspects of a car and its ability in given situations.

[XShockedRelicX]

Escrito originalmente por Trezoitao38:

Escrito originalmente por skankhunt42:

YOUR most wanted track.
IMO most overrated track, sheep think it's special just because of the length of it.
What would you gain from training on it VS training on actual tracks you're going to race on?

In fact, Nordschleife is a road, not exactly a track. You can see this in old videos, the corners are there just because of the geography, not because some human designed.

Another thing that confirms this is Nordschleife are always guiding the cars to one place. For example, after you do a corner left side, it is in almost all cases a corner to the right next. Also, there is no track inside the circuit, it is just external because it is just a connexion of different roads. Take Magny Cours as a example of opposite.

But from all of that road is the only one that really appears to be designed by some human. like it is just a big circuit with some thoughts on the design of corners.

So, Nordschleife is a big track that feels as a road, but at the same time there a lot of corners that appears made for a circuit. This mixed feeling is something you get from this track only, not other track in the other can provide the same.

From other tracks, like Old Spa, you are correct. It was interesting because it was so dangerous and fast, but boring to drive in simulators. The new track from 80's is way better.

I agree with what your staying, i also agree its like no other track that has ever been created, they did use the natural curvature of earth to create that wonderful place. Whats great is its ability to make you challenge yourself and see how skilled you are at long distance races, and how well you can mantain your ability to stay within the lines lol

Its how a lot of tracks are desgined, to use either natural or man made, centripetal force on the tires to aid turning, and using the natural cuves and banks of the road this can be acheved. I might be wrong here, but Most tracks are not made to make driving easy, but to make driving faster, by allowing a car to go fast around turns with the aid of aerodynamics, banks, curbs, and wheel setup, but they are helped along by physics (lots of physics used today were used back long ago, the newest advancment we've had has been quantum physics since einstine, most of all physics is the same, just more advancments in classical physics and quantum/partical physics, but they are still thr same. ); but Like the curbs, its used to help turn the car by reducing the contact patch of the tire, to allow less friction on the tire, and countering physical the effects on the inside of the tire which then allowes an easier turn (basic explanation) on the side with the curb to allow tighter turns.

[XShockedRelicX]

Escrito originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

Escrito originalmente por skankhunt42:

YOUR most wanted track.
IMO most overrated track, sheep think it's special just because of the length of it.
What would you gain from training on it VS training on actual tracks you're going to race on?

Nurb Nords have more kinds of turns and require memorization for like 10 tracks

Im trying to humor people who think this is selfish and pointless, but he is on topic so im tryimg to explain to them what you said in basically one sentence...

[Trezoitao38]

Nordschleife is a road. What the difference betwen a road and a circuit? Roads have corners because of the topography, there is a montain, there is a river, there is a bunch of trees. This is the case with every corner in Nordschleife. Some corners dont appear this because they removed some montains after they made the corners.

A circuit is a tottally different thing. Someone desing the track. Some circuits are placed in flat topography, but there are corners because the designer wants to provide some challenge to the drivers.

Nordschleife is one of a few roads that appears to be somekind of circuit. And that is the appeal of this track. Because most times a road is just boring, dont have a good flow or challenge corners. Or, are full of corners, this is the case of hillclimbs.

There are a lot of kerbs in Nordschleife nowadays. But remember this. Nordschleife was a road before some humans attempt to race there. It is a road, just a connection of place A to place B, C etc.

No one designed that corners thinking: hum, it would be cool to make that corner this way because will be challenge for the drivers.

As a road, it was designed to be safe (by what was considered safe in the past), not challenge.

So, it was for luck that Nordschleife become a very good track because who made that road didnt think people go race there.

The track have some problems, difficult to overtake, some cars cant race there (F1 cars for example), is not safe for nowadays standards and can be a boring track in some cars (slow cars for example) or just anoying in others (cars that needs to brake constantly because are very fast in straights but slow in corners). And the size is a problem too, because it is not a good track to the spectators to watch the races, the track dont give enough chances in qualify sections and one huge problem: the track itself become the biggest challenge. This is a problem too, because racing is not challenge the tracks itself, but the cars and other opponents. A race in Nordschleife is all about who know the track more than who know how to drive a car. That is why is more interesting a 24h race in Le Mans, because the track itself is not a big challenge and the race now is more about the cars, the reliability and the mental aspect of a endurance races in drivers.

[turtleCZ]

lol, somebody likes to write

[XShockedRelicX]

Luckily my theory doesnt require a race it requires single player so it address a lot of those issues.
I thkught i agreed with what you said?

A track that has never been recreated (if it wasnt a track first then it, the track, was still created using the natural already inplace curves, inclines, and declines. I would half agree with the statment that its only challenging because of other cars, its also because in real life depending on the sectiom of the track weather can vary, and it often can gets
all types of climate in one lap, and remembering every turn and line you took to get the best speed and pushing for your best performance also can be challenging; lastly with the addition of pooling water and dangrous turns that can easily end a race with one wrong understeer, i know when i face myself by using a ghost car its my most difficult opponent.

[XShockedRelicX]

Escrito originalmente por turtleCZ:

lol, somebody likes to write

Im replying to relavent post and trying to moderate the conversation. This is how co.municatiom works, and its really a great way to express oneself.
But it really seems most cannot read to grasp knowlage, they are looking for something they agree with so they can echo what others have said over and over and act like they are the first ones ever with the thought. Then insist they are correct because everywhere they go now a dayz, they are usually in a echo chamber listening to thoughts they agree with. (See what i did there)
.... but i write C++ so... i write all the time and cant help it so maye your right lol

[turtleCZ]

It's fine, just interesting to me how much is possible to write about it. :D

[XShockedRelicX]

Escrito originalmente por turtleCZ:

It's fine, just interesting to me how much is possible to write about it. :D

Your telling me... this is they only social media ive been on idk how it really works, not tikitok, twit, fb, instgramming, or... i forgot the others. I dont even watch Youtube videos. So this is new to me, i spent all my adult life and teen life reading and studying. So i guess i see why how im writing is odd.

[turtleCZ]

Escrito originalmente por XShockedRelicX:

Escrito originalmente por turtleCZ:

It's fine, just interesting to me how much is possible to write about it. :D

Your telling me... this is they only social media ive been on idk how it really works, not tikitok, twit, fb, instgramming, or... i forgot the others. I dont even watch Youtube videos. So this is new to me, i spent all my adult life and teen life reading and studying. So i guess i see why how im writing is odd.

That's great, Steam is amazing. English is not my native language so I have even problems to read it.

But I like your style, we are rather similar. :D

[XShockedRelicX]

Escrito originalmente por turtleCZ:

Escrito originalmente por XShockedRelicX:

Your telling me... this is they only social media ive been on idk how it really works, not tikitok, twit, fb, instgramming, or... i forgot the others. I dont even watch Youtube videos. So this is new to me, i spent all my adult life and teen life reading and studying. So i guess i see why how im writing is odd.

That's great, Steam is amazing. English is not my native language so I have even problems to read it.

But I like your style, we are rather similar. :D

here here, i wish more people would read, cuz if only a few people are able to read, then the rest of the posters start to look so... sad, and it makes you scratch your head as if your wishing for the best of people... not have them parrot everything theyve ever heard from a video they like lol, it makes gamers look, very stupid, and it reflects on us all when they cant read a sentence, nor partipate in reading comp., nor especally to make up their own mind, to think for themselves, read for themselves, if someone would breath for them, they would do it. , it makes people beleive they are smart because they can tell you what they already know, but the second it gets a layer deep... it shows.

[EF_Neo1st]

Escrito originalmente por XShockedRelicX:

Escrito originalmente por turtleCZ:

That's great, Steam is amazing. English is not my native language so I have even problems to read it.

But I like your style, we are rather similar. :D

here here, i wish more people would read, cuz if only a few people are able to read, then the rest of the posters start to look so... sad, and it makes you scratch your head as if your wishing for the best of people... not have them parrot everything theyve ever heard from a video they like lol, it makes gamers look, very stupid, and it reflects on us all when they cant read a sentence, nor partipate in reading comp., nor especally to make up their own mind, to think for themselves, read for themselves, if someone would breath for them, they would do it. , it makes people beleive they are smart because they can tell you what they already know, but the second it gets a layer deep... it shows.

Oh boy ...

[XShockedRelicX]

[Edit] this post is exactly what ivd been ranting about not doing, yet i did, it was stupid of me and and i should have read the content and context and voice of the poster to identify what he meant, i was acting like i was smarter than this poster, and its how a lot of you write, but i did it and im sorry, and i should have known way better.
Case in point, not saying anything and acting like your cool because you all have no sence to pick up a book, so you use emogies or whatever. Sorry youve lost creative ability to express yourself in any meaningful way.

[EF_Neo1st]

Escrito originalmente por XShockedRelicX:

Case in point, not saying anything and acting like your cool because you all have no sence to pick up a book, so you use emogies or whatever. Sorry youve lost creative ability to express yourself in any meaningful way.

You did not understand what I meant (that was not even toward you).