why does the ffb feel wrong compared to original ac?

[Specter]

The ffb in this game feels jagged and off. The ffb in f12020 is better and that is quite sad

[T.Harper]

Originally posted by Biggus Dickus®:

Originally posted by T.Harper:

I tried playing with some FFB settings for my G27 wheel but the game does not seem to have any programming to telegraph what the front tires are doing. I ran a 30 min race last night and realised that to simulate tire wear the inadequate road feel on new tires quickly disappears and feels like your driving a hovercraft blindfolded making consistent lap times even more improbable. In Rfactor 2 and Project Cars 2 I can rip off dozens of laps within a 1 or 2 tenths of a second variance. I hope they fix this 5#IT, it sucks every ounce of driving satisfaction out of this otherwise great title and turns results into a lottery.

There's something seriously wrong with your setup.

Then why is this the only sim that feels like Im running flat out with two completely numb feet?

[T.Harper]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by T.Harper:

I tried playing with some FFB settings for my G27 wheel but the game does not seem to have any programming to telegraph what the front tires are doing. I ran a 30 min race last night and realised that to simulate tire wear the inadequate road feel on new tires quickly disappears and feels like your driving a hovercraft blindfolded making consistent lap times even more improbable. In Rfactor 2 and Project Cars 2 I can rip off dozens of laps within a 1 or 2 tenths of a second variance. I hope they fix this ♥♥♥♥, it sucks every ounce of driving satisfaction out of this otherwise great title and turns results into a lottery.

For me at ACC not only the feeling is about the same as before (with the new tyres), but I can stil drive consistently if I know the track.
Tyre wear is a thing if you manage to wear off your tyre a lot, at most tracks I can go improving my lap time as I use more fuel for 25min to 35min without much problem, maybe someone that dont wear tyre as much as me can keep improving times (as fuel is spent and car weight reduced) for longer, but the consistent pace is something that if I want to keep I can keep even with a worn tyre (because of less fuel per lap at the car), what I noticed is I just lose a lot of performance if I go offtrack on grass/sand and try to force lap times with the tyres still dirt, because I will be sliding and spinning more, having to do more corrections and wearing off more the tyre in the process.

I dont see anything to be "fixed" in that regard.

Funny how this is the ONLY sim that feels this way for me . Im glad it works for you but this is the worst force feedback I have ever experienced in any racing game period. Clearly many others feel the same way based on posts I continue to see pop up.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by T.Harper:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

For me at ACC not only the feeling is about the same as before (with the new tyres), but I can stil drive consistently if I know the track.
Tyre wear is a thing if you manage to wear off your tyre a lot, at most tracks I can go improving my lap time as I use more fuel for 25min to 35min without much problem, maybe someone that dont wear tyre as much as me can keep improving times (as fuel is spent and car weight reduced) for longer, but the consistent pace is something that if I want to keep I can keep even with a worn tyre (because of less fuel per lap at the car), what I noticed is I just lose a lot of performance if I go offtrack on grass/sand and try to force lap times with the tyres still dirt, because I will be sliding and spinning more, having to do more corrections and wearing off more the tyre in the process.

I dont see anything to be "fixed" in that regard.

Funny how this is the ONLY sim that feels this way for me . Im glad it works for you but this is the worst force feedback I have ever experienced in any racing game period. Clearly many others feel the same way based on posts I continue to see pop up.

Dont know if it is something to do with the G27, I have a G29 and it is fine.

Still, I know the feeling as at RaceRoom I have only wheel centering with heavy/light wheel with some small vibrations here and there and that is all, no weight transfer, grip or pedals feelings at all at RaceRoom (but I have it all here at ACC with my G29 and I could not find any setting, ingame and logitech, that could deliver the feeling at RaceRoom).

Dont know if it is a wheel support thing from the game and, in case it is, then yes I agree it is a problem Kunos should check (still, they should check if the problem is really the G27 support).

[EF_Neo1st]

Btw, yes, I did not notice neither think about that possibility when I replied, but maybe it is your G27 or ACC support for the G27.
Kunos (and more people with the G27) could confirm this.

[dionysios.ts]

For me FFB is perfect, nothing to compare to GT or PC2 where in that last one, was a pain to edit each time. Don't feel anything is missing here.

[edbert]

Originally posted by Pripyat Lizard 🦎:

It's realistic compared to most simracing titles where they try to jam in a bunch of info through the wheel to compensate for lack of g force etc. In ACC it seems like they're trying to just give you the info a real wheel would give you.

I'm a newb, but this is what I am "feeling" (or not) too.

[Biggus Dickus®]

Originally posted by T.Harper:

Originally posted by Biggus Dickus®:

There's something seriously wrong with your setup.

Then why is this the only sim that feels like Im running flat out with two completely numb feet?

Because you're expecting ffb to come through your pedals?

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Biggus Dickus®:

Originally posted by T.Harper:

Then why is this the only sim that feels like Im running flat out with two completely numb feet?

Because you're expecting ffb to come through your pedals?

Probably no as his pedal can not convey anything (and you can feel your throttle and brake on a real car when you get both to their limits, when car get too much grip or locking tyres), but because it is possible to feel through FFB at the wheel.

But yes, it is possible to have something portraying it at ACC, maybe it is not the way he expect or maybe he dont have it at all for his G27, but it is there.

[Frappete]

Originally posted by Specter:

Originally posted by KolysioN™:

not true at all.

its difficult to catch a slide.
its difficult to tell when wheels are losing grip.
the wheel does not tell me when the rears are sliding

disprove these claims

git gud

[Employce Mustwashands]

Try to make a descent FFB setup, it will help. I've been fiddling with it for hours, got it where i want it now. But IMO ACC was pretty good out of the box. (using the old Thrustmaster TX xd)
Also what hardware are you using OP (talking wheel, not PC)?

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Specter:

Originally posted by Grimdanfango:

Because you haven't gotten used to it, and you have gotten used to previous sims that you've played a lot.

Practice, put in a few tens of hours, it'll "feel right". It has nothing to do with "better" or "worse" - I highly doubt that you, I, or anyone else here has the technical understanding to even scratch the surface of judging the objective quality of the FFB.

is it possible to tune the setting so i can correct the slide? and is it possible to make the wheel go light when the car runs out of grip? thats the thing that makes acc unplayable for me

Yes, wheel start going light when car start running out of grip, giving you less confidence... as Rons91 just asked:

Originally posted by Rons91:

Try to make a descent FFB setup, it will help. I've been fiddling with it for hours, got it where i want it now. But IMO ACC was pretty good out of the box. (using the old Thrustmaster TX xd)
Also what hardware are you using OP (talking wheel, not PC)?

What wheel do you use?
My G29 does it good with the FFB conveying all the feeling I need to feel when the car is not at the limit, is reaching the limit, is at the limit, is getting beyond the limit or is already beyond the limit (yes, it is that detailed, not being just from "not on the limit" then suddenly "beyond the limit") and all that without FFB noise, I can distinguish what is grip levels, what is track details, what is brake feeling and what is weight transfer, no FFB noise here either (but FFB for my taste and expectations).

[Employce Mustwashands]

I am using a Thrustmaster TX with a 599x wheel.

I just tried all settings one by one to understand how they all translated the physics to in the wheel. I usualy start by testing the maximum value against the minimum value for most of the FFB settings so you can tell whats changing. From there you can make a base setting and then evolve that by small tweaks. That way you should really be able to make the FFB feel great.

As for the G29, I can't give u any tips, since I don't own it. But I have a mate who owns one, and when he drives with my wheel/pc, he always says how much more feel the TX gives compared to the G29.
So maybe it's down to that? Or am i missing the curb here?

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Rons91:

I am using a Thrustmaster TX with a 599x wheel.

I just tried all settings one by one to understand how they all translated the physics to in the wheel. I usualy start by testing the maximum value against the minimum value for most of the FFB settings so you can tell whats changing. From there you can make a base setting and then evolve that by small tweaks. That way you should really be able to make the FFB feel great.

As for the G29, I can't give u any tips, since I don't own it. But I have a mate who owns one, and when he drives with my wheel/pc, he always says how much more feel the TX gives compared to the G29.
So maybe it's down to that? Or am i missing the curb here?

Dont know if it was to me but...
I dont have a problem with my G29, but thnks for offering help with tips.
I also have only the G29, so I can not give you tips on the TX neither compare both (but your friend do).

Also, FFB is very personal thing and depend on your taste and expectancies.
What work for me may not work or feel wrong for you (and I also start with max FFB settings too when adjusting it).

It is OP that have problem with FFB, not me (again, if your message was meant to me, as I mentioned the G29).

[TeknoBug]

When FFB becomes light while in a corner, that means the car is understeering (or already mentioned, losing grip)

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by TeknoBug:

When FFB becomes light while in a corner, that means the car is understeering (or already mentioned, losing grip)

Well, yes, but you can feel a smooth transition of heavier and lighter steering, also with other effects, that can indicate when the car is starting to slide and, depending on what you are doing and what the FFB convey (along side with heavy and light steering) you can know what tyre is making you lose, also if you gone through some track imperfection, kerb or dirty part of the track (maybe even wet or hydroplane over a puddle), if it was caused by massive weight transfer ... it all can be felt through the FFB at ACC (and that is why I hate minimalistic FFB that is basically heavy and light steering and with weak (or not strong enough) FFB, as it will only indicate heavy and light steering and when you do a mistake, it will only convey any proper feeling when the crap already happened, not when it is happening or starting to happen, and it also makes (to me) much harder to find the limits of the car.

But again, FFB depend on taste and expectations, minimalistic FFB dont work for me and I also find a minimalistic FFB much less immersive too (and I know a real wheel with power steering will have only heavy and light steering effects, but still I would not have any immersion for weight transfer and everything else), but if it work for others, or for aliens that already know very well the limits of both car and track, fine, it is their taste and mine is different