Saving a spin

[HeartOrHead]

I'm finding it almost impossible to save a spin even I know it's comming. I try counter steer and all I get is spin in original direction regardless or counter streer and spin in opposite direction.
I tried same track and car in rFactor 2 and Project Cars 2 and I can save no problem in these two.

[dave967]

I understand what your saying, once you start to spin its tough to re-gain control. The best way to control a spin is not put your car in a position to spin. The best drivers are consistent enough to not create the circumstances that lead to spins.

[ling.speed]

Likely you actually notice the car is sliding too late.

When you try to save a spin and the car just goes around anyways it means you were sliding before you noticed something being wrong. At that point a small countersteer just adds grip for front tyres and the spin deepens instead of a save. So you need to do a larger countersteer, but to not get a tank slapper it takes some experiance with keeping the front tyres honest in relation to the ground. Hop in some street car (preferably AC or rF2) and practice drifting focusing on the front tyres. You can do it in ACC but it's much harder and will take much longer.

Best is to get better at noticing when the car is getting out of shape. Focus on how quickly the car rotates. If the car is turning "too well" it means you are starting to slide. Your objective should be to steer out of it before it becomes a countersteer.

The difference in handling between ACC and PC2/rF2 is probably due to how setups in ACC are pretty far forward in terms of balance (and are more pitch sensitive). So you could stiffen front roll bar and rise front ride height a bit.

[FerSantander]

Tyre model is terrible. Don't even try.

You Lambo user like me?, you need to make sure rear tyre pressure is around 28, and in the aero tab make veeeery very sure you set that "%" front/rear aero balance to zero as you play with the different options (height and rear downforce) available in that tab.

I also recommend with this car toning down braking force down to at least 96%, and stiffening rear spring/anti-roll bar too. It will help keeping the rear stable, regardless this can is so damn unrealistic physics/tyre model wise.

[scoobysi]

These cars are very sensitive to Aero changes so keep an eye on the Aero Balance % if changing, otherwise you’ll create an even less stable car. If you’re new to ACC then start with the Safe setup, once you can lap consistently with that then move onto the Aggressive setups. Also the Ferrari is very stable vs the Lambo so car choice is important too.

[FerSantander]

Originally posted by scoobysi:

These cars are very sensitive to Aero changes so keep an eye on the Aero Balance % if changing, otherwise you’ll create an even less stable car. If you’re new to ACC then start with the Safe setup, once you can lap consistently with that then move onto the Aggressive setups. Also the Ferrari is very stable vs the Lambo so car choice is important too.

The problem with these cars definitely is the Pirelli tyres they use. Mount this GT3 machines on proper GTE (for example) tyres, and you will see how dramatically the situation changes.

Pirelli is the worst thing since slice bread, and the actual problem with GT3 cars, not just their excessive dependence on aero and damn electronic assists. Give these cars proper quality slicks, and maybe even TC could be no longer necessary.

[scoobysi]

FerSantander, you come across as a troll a lot of the time I’m afraid, the tyre model is not terrible (perhaps Pirelli tyres but not ACC model). And why would you continue to drive the Lambo if you think it’s so terrible/unrealistic. Read Aris’ blogs on the various cars and they’ll enlighten you as to the characteristics of each. Kunos are working with real Drivers and Engineers (one is on the forum regularly) so think what you will re realism.

Also the Safe and then Aggressive setups within the game are very good, unless you really know what you’re doing you’ll make the situation worse and changes are very driver/track dependent. Once you can lap consistently with the Safe and Aggressive setups (get CC rating 90+) then you can think about tuning otherwise all you’re doing is tuning the car to try and remove your bad driving habits, that you think are the fault of the car but actually are not.

[FerSantander]

Diferring opinion is not trolling. Perhaps you're another white knight who knows.

And yeah, I know all those blogs, and can also do a full 30.00 with the Lambo without spinning, so quit treating me as if I wouldn't know what I'm doing with this game. I drive that car only because i like the challenge, which leads me to believe that all those of you who don't see much trouble with these physics are straight away driving cars like the Mercedes or any other front engine. Lol, and you call yourself a pro.

The tyre model is bad; terrible regardless how much these guys work along gt3 teams, and that's a fact. It needs serious serious improvement. Looking forward to it..., or maybe not, I know Kunos before.

Or maybe you are right and..., Kunos is simply simulating very well how bad these GT3 Pirelli tyres are. Who knows man, it could be that too.

[scoobysi]

You just continually spout off without any basis in fact, for info I have over 300hrs in ACC, mostly driving the Lambo and more recently the Porsche. So again, off you go attacking me without any knowledge on the subject you were spouting off about. Oh and btw, you’re not somehow a better driver because you drive the Lambo versus the Merc. I don’t think you’ll find me calling myself a Pro anywhere but then again you don’t actually care about the facts. I think what you’ll find is that I try to help people with the issues they are having.

Differing opinion is not trolling but when you constantly post unsubstantiated rubbish without providing any supporting evidence and when this generally goes against the opinion of the vast majority of the sim community then you are verging on trolling. Also when people start using phrases like “and that’s a fact”, you know what it generally isn’t.

Did you even know a new 5 point tyre model was released and was very well received by the community in general?

If you think you’re coming across as a mature knowledgeable person on the subject then on you go but don’t complain when someone calls you out.

[FerSantander]

I was also trying to help others in this thread as you have seen, until the fanboyism within you triggered and jumped in to call me troll.

And ain't the baaaad bad bad bad tyre physics fact enough to you?, man.., not sure if serious. Shall we talk about the "huge" community this game has, due to obvious reason (bad physics)?; shall we talk about the other countless issues that have contributed dramatically to the situation we are in one year after?, spare me the lecture man. You're not the only one who knows this game well.

And about the five point tyre model.., more proof that you think I'm not even playing this game. You cannot be serious.

Crawl back to the official kunos forum, and find refuge in there.

[goobMB]

Originally posted by FerSantander:

Shall we talk about the "huge" community this game has, due to obvious reason (bad physics)

It surely isn't related with its narrow specialization in terms of tracks and cars, aye.

[rola]

Originally posted by FerSantander:

Tyre model is terrible. Don't even try.

You Lambo user like me?, you need to make sure rear tyre pressure is around 28, and in the aero tab make veeeery very sure you set that "%" front/rear aero balance to zero as you play with the different options (height and rear downforce) available in that tab.

I also recommend with this car toning down braking force down to at least 96%, and stiffening rear spring/anti-roll bar too. It will help keeping the rear stable, regardless this can is so damn unrealistic physics/tyre model wise.

tyre model isnt terrible. more like lambo has a problem.

[scoobysi]

I saw you have 94hrs in the game, something like 6.5 hrs in last 2 weeks, so yes you play it but not a lot compared to some. You see I did a bit of research to find out some facts. Nowhere have I questioned your knowledge of the game, only your opinion which you’re trying to pass off as fact (which is the issue).

You realise the community is smaller because the game is focused on Blancpain GT3 only,
i.e. a niche title/subject, it has nothing to do with “bad physics” as you put it. Oh and I’m perfectly serious, I think the tyre model and physics are very good and no I’m not a fanboy, just someone who enjoys ACC. I can accept there are issues e.g. VR but that doesn’t affect me but I can also see that Kunos are listening to the community and going from strength to strength e.g, 5 point tyre model (yes seriously) and the Competition Server schedule.

[HeartOrHead]

uh, ok, maybe I'll just practice some more ;D

[FerSantander]

ahh yeah yeah I remember. Weren't these three brainwashed knights above me among those who were always telling others that there were no issue with AC tyre model when riding curbs?, that it was their fault because of bad driving? xD

This before the 5 point thingy excreted some months ago, which well..., tbh, meh!

And after the release of that new model, then what was the problem before?, wasn't the tyre model that good too before 5-point?

Jesus Christ..., where do these guys spawn from lol

[rola]

Originally posted by FerSantander:

ahh yeah yeah I remember. Weren't these three brainwashed knights above me among those who were always telling others that there were no issue with AC tyre model when riding curbs?, that it was their fault because of bad driving? xD

This before the 5 point thingy excreted some months ago, which well..., tbh, meh!

And after the release of that new model, then what was the problem before?, wasn't the tyre model that good too before 5-point?

Jesus Christ..., where do these guys spawn from lol

The tyre model wasnt bad before 5-point. It had a problem. Different thing.

and just so you know, i definitely raged about the kerbs being unrealistic before they were fixed.