Disgaea 5 Complete

Disgaea 5 Complete

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Max Jul 26, 2018 @ 1:30am
In case anyone care about the Disgaea 1 remake
Disgaea Refine (Disgaea 1 Complete) is just 1 with HD textures & some classes from D2 and 5 (some get replaced like imp).
Options and controls are same as PSP version with PS4 save icon support. No overhaul whatsoever.
https://i.imgur.com/4kegBhu.png
(Effects are on/off only)
Last edited by Max; Jul 26, 2018 @ 4:31am
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Digihuman Jul 26, 2018 @ 3:58am 
Most people I've seen and/or talked to seem to be "Meh" about the D1 remake for various reasons.

The only positive responses to it I've seen are from the type of people whom NISA could sell swampland with ease.

D1C is very lazily made, everything about it is lazy.

- Recycling modern versions of sprites instead of redesigning them to look like the originals (Succubus, for example...and while I haven't checked, Skulls too, probably. Male healers as seen in that screenshot.)
- Several classes have been removed in favour of more modern counterparts (Galactic Demons with Rifle Demons for example)
- they are using the original Voice Acting recordings, which are notably low quality.
- They are using the original conversation busts, which have a drastically different art style to the sprites
- unconfirmed, but they have still failed to show any QoL improvements. We've seen the options menu and it lacks one of the more basic QoL improvements, that being increasing movement and attack speed.
- unconfirmed AFAIK, but they don't appear to have upgraded movement or throwing, meaning it is still D1, not DD2/D5's significantly superior control philosophy.

I could go on, but I think that's suddicient.
Perhaps if it's on sale in the distant future I'll consider it. Perhaps. But it's the laziest piece of ♥♥♥♥ that NIS has offered us to date, and that says a lot.

They had the potential to do a complete overhaul of D1, to create a truly definitive, modern, updated version. But they didn't. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even add Killia or other characters from D3+ (which weren't in the PSP version) as recruitable characters.
Last edited by Digihuman; Jul 26, 2018 @ 3:58am
Max Jul 26, 2018 @ 4:46am 
Originally posted by Digihuman:
- they are using the original Voice Acting recordings, which are notably low quality.
- unconfirmed, but they have still failed to show any QoL improvements. We've seen the options menu and it lacks one of the more basic QoL improvements, that being increasing movement and attack speed.
- unconfirmed AFAIK, but they don't appear to have upgraded movement or throwing, meaning it is still D1, not DD2/D5's significantly superior control philosophy.
As of japanese version. Only the cutscenes are original recording (Same as PC version, cutscenes voice is pretty high quality, don't know about the english dub) as I saw the pre-release footages. Battle voices seems to be new or reused from previous games. (No alternative voice to choose in character creation however)It's completely reused from 1 even the replaced characters.

Movement become instant with effect off (no movement speed option as my screenshot shows).
Effect off attack animations are the same as PSP version.

Everything is just the same as the PSP. Throwing, item world, menus, character sorting, status screen, Dark Assembly rank etc.

Just like the original, no jumping, no tower attack



Basically it's a lazily made HD remaster
Last edited by Max; Aug 3, 2018 @ 12:00pm
Digihuman Jul 26, 2018 @ 5:01am 
Cutscenes were the thing I was most bothered about. Re-using more recent unit voices is more or less what I expected of this lazy remake.
And wait, no voice options? Oh jeez, it's getting worse.

It's actually remarkable that they think they can get away with releasing a very minor update to the PSP version only a couple of years after doing that ALREADY with Disgaea PC (which honestly I will take over D1Complete).

I'm beginning to wonder if they wanted D5C delayed to autumn so that they had at least ONE successful product in that period.
2D神 Jul 26, 2018 @ 8:17am 
Not really. I rather they bring D2,3,4 to PC.
theclaw135 Jul 26, 2018 @ 9:20am 
I'm not sure I want D1 to become something it isn't. Rebalancing the game to fit in characters and mechanics it wasn't designed for, seems like a wasted effort.
I get the feeling that this version of D1 will be self defeating for the series as a whole. It is going to be harder to sell this game when it is just the PSP version with graphics form D5. I love the writing of the first game, but the mechanics have aged like milk. What is worse is that it is on the same platforms as D5, the one with arguidably the best mechanics.

I understand that NIS has been struggling, or at leat the D5 did not do as well as they had hoped. I feel that the implimentation of this remake is a major mistep, as D1C is going to be a tough sell. I would hope that if it does not perform well, that NIS does not just throw in the towel on thier "Disgaeaverse" SRPGS.
Pickleton Jul 26, 2018 @ 4:09pm 
They'll keep making Disgaea games, but hopefully this year serves as a wakeup call. They've been able to grow their company by having a rabid fanbase promote their cute little niche games. However, if the games don't work and they treat that rabid fanbase like ♥♥♥♥, they lose literally everything they have going for them. As I've been saying, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people have lost their jobs over the past few months (which they should be, in all honesty).
Digihuman Jul 26, 2018 @ 4:20pm 
Originally posted by Dispenser (Torbjorn):
I understand that NIS has been struggling, or at leat the D5 did not do as well as they had hoped.

Based on quotes from NISA reps on various forums, that's not actually true. Disgaea 5 sold very well - especially when the Switch version (however much I think that console shouldn't exist) is factored in. (having over 150K more sold than D4)
Last edited by Digihuman; Jul 26, 2018 @ 4:22pm
Kuugenthefox Jul 26, 2018 @ 5:34pm 
Ah yes, all my "doomsay" about D1C turning out true, how the tables have turned.
theclaw135 Jul 26, 2018 @ 8:58pm 
Originally posted by Kuugenthefox:
Ah yes, all my "doomsay" about D1C turning out true, how the tables have turned.

What doomsday? It's more than enough to get the sprites up to Disgaea 4 quality.
Pickleton Jul 26, 2018 @ 10:16pm 
Originally posted by theclaw135:
Originally posted by Kuugenthefox:
Ah yes, all my "doomsay" about D1C turning out true, how the tables have turned.

What doomsday? It's more than enough to get the sprites up to Disgaea 4 quality.

It's because when Kuugen said that Disgaea 1 Complete was just gonna be a graphics update/remaster people got all frumpy and "no it's gonna be a full update with all the QoL changes. Don't be stupid."
Max Jul 27, 2018 @ 12:09am 
Ah yeah. Few things I forgot to mention.

No skip during cutscenes. (there is a fast forward button tho)
Cutscenes and voice are mostly based on PS2 version. (as of JP version)
Next episode previews are also PS2 version.
Healing doesn't gain EXP as it was in the original (not sure if it is RES based)
UI is completely redone based on the original style (Unlike PC version)
Although the game uses PC version's 3D maps.


Bug?: Female thief appear to be male in the record viewer (as it was male in the original)

Game has english voice option btw. Can't test it since I ain't buying that at full price 7776 Yen.
Last edited by Max; Jul 27, 2018 @ 12:39am
Digihuman Jul 27, 2018 @ 1:18am 
Dear, dear.

Funny thing, actually, Last night I had a dream where we were all proven wrong by seeing a class roster, with even "returning" D5 classes being remade to look more D1-ish.
Shame it was just a dream. :P
theclaw135 Jul 27, 2018 @ 2:56am 
Originally posted by IG Pickleton:
Originally posted by theclaw135:

What doomsday? It's more than enough to get the sprites up to Disgaea 4 quality.

It's because when Kuugen said that Disgaea 1 Complete was just gonna be a graphics update/remaster people got all frumpy and "no it's gonna be a full update with all the QoL changes. Don't be stupid."

As long as the QoL changes aren't just features lazily tacked on from the later games. I want D1 to maintain its own identity.
Pickleton Jul 27, 2018 @ 6:29am 
Originally posted by theclaw135:
Originally posted by IG Pickleton:

It's because when Kuugen said that Disgaea 1 Complete was just gonna be a graphics update/remaster people got all frumpy and "no it's gonna be a full update with all the QoL changes. Don't be stupid."

As long as the QoL changes aren't just features lazily tacked on from the later games. I want D1 to maintain its own identity.

I own 3 copies of Disgaea 1 (PS2, PSP, PC). I bought them because of the gameplay and story. I aint buying another copy just because the graphics are better. If I was a graphics ♥♥♥♥♥, I probably wouldn't have loved Disgaea in the first place.
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