Characters getting worse in each game.

[AliceTheGorgon]

D1: Etna was cool. Laharl was slightly annoying for falling for Flonne, but other than that was okay, and as long as you actually killed Lamington (or Flonne) or got one of the Etna endings everything was okay.

D2: Rozalin and Adell were nothing particularly special, but Rozalin being the overlord was kind of neat, and Adell's family were pretty fun. (Shout-outs to the "bad" ending too, which was neat.)

D3: Raspberyl was neat, but got a bit stale over time, and Mao was whatever.

D4: Valvatorez was so dull I don't remember anything about him other than that he liked sardines and was boring and I never even got very far in the game.

D:D2 decieded that Etna needed to be knocked down a billion pegs, so instead of having the potential to become Beauty Tyrant Etna like in D1, or even just Beauty Queen Etna when she literally hacked her title in D2 (and that's in the canon route), now she supposedly can't even absorb a ball of demon energy without dying.
(Edit: I somehow manged to forget about the random demon siblings from nowhere. Apparently I literally blocked that memory because they were so bad.)

Now we have the "please just have sex or kill each other already" squad in D5, who're supposedly demon overlords yet constantly go out of their way to act exactly like every anime stereotype ever and be all angst and pointless sexual tension and love and justice and helping every random person for no reason. Friggin' Christo even comments on how un-demonlike Killia is, for Netherworld's sake.

Sure, the gameplay's had a lot of refinments over the years (apart from guns only being four-way starting in D2, that's still dumb), but the characters are so insufferable that there's no possible way I'll be able to spend as long on this one as the original, or even 2.

[TrioAngelamVA.WliaAlfaD.A.S]

bad of not is it me or not
but all games have least one char that always
OHOHOHOHOHOHOHOOO your ears out xD ?

[Vallie]

I feel the Secret technique stuff went on far too long

[SivartStoneheart]

I agree character are getting worse but I was complaining about story before the release. The weaker the story is the stronger the character should be.

The 2 things the series has is setting(They are making worse and worse, how imporant/poweriful are Overlords? And lets not forget about earth and heaven.) and game mechanics(try to improve, not change just to change).

[AliceTheGorgon]

Originally posted by SivartStoneheart:

how imporant/poweriful are Overlords?

That's a good point. It was really weird when they were all freaking out about the netherworlds being destroyed, since back in Makai Kingdom the entire game was about rebuilding a netherworld, so clearly it's not that hard for an actual overlord to make a new netherworld. And yet, everyone acted like it was super terrible instead of just an inconvenience.

[Neonivek]

It should be said that the Overlords in Makai Kingdom, though, are at a whole other level from the Overlords we have seen until now... AND use a magic book with world changing abilities (So it isn't EXACTLY just inconvenient to have your netherworld destroyed). Even the weakest of the Overlords in Makai Kingdom would trounce most of the protagonists in the series.

A better way of thinking of it is that the Overlord is the ruler of a Netherworld and that Most (If not all) Netherworlds are ruled by the most powerful person within them. It is essentially a title of "King"... But because it is only the person who beats up everyone else to obtain it.

In Disgaea 2, for example, Laharl's end game power level is considered obscene... As well other netherworld's overlords aren't all that powerful.

I guess it is to say Overlord is more of a "You are #1" title AND that their power level varies wildly.

[SivartStoneheart]

Originally posted by Neonivek:

I guess it is to say Overlord is more of a "You are #1" title AND that their power level varies wildly.

That is the point. Think about Disagaea 1. Laharl is going on and on about how he is Overlord because of his dad and he is the strongest and Etna is laughing at him because he is a weakening at the begining. He has to prove himselve to other major deamons who are trying to be Overlord the declare a challege to the whole Netherworld if you want to be Overlord take it from me(I farmed the hell out of that map, it had better but it was fun).

While he is trying to become Overlord and a little bit after Earth and Celestia are trying to take over. Where the ♥♥♥♥ is Earth and Celestia in these other games?

I am alittle confused about Disagaea 2. Was that a normal planet before the Overlord took over then changed it to a Netherworld? But all of the rumors of that land being normal could be lies and it could have been a Netherworld the whole time Adell had no real family there so maybe he got transfered in. In the good ending it is implied the curse is lifted(if there was a curse) but the sister(monster adopted sister) runs away with Etna and becomes a demon lord, YYYYAAAAAA.... Misinformation, lies and deception leave Disgaea 2 stable.

[Neonivek]

The curse being lifted didn't cure the town it just stopped their progression into monsterdom. Also yes it was a normal planet.

Also yes Adell is SPECIFICALLY adopted... you even meet his real parents.

[Balavaeros]

the original trio is hard to beat. flonne was annoying but usually to comedic effect through laharl and etna's rections to her. there hasn't been any really decent characters since. some were adequate, but that's it
adell was the worst yet imo. i'm not a fan of d5's characters but it had some pretty fun moments, a lot of those unvoiced interactions in the pocket world were pretty funny. also - the english voice acting is pretty bad in d5

[SivartStoneheart]

Originally posted by Neonivek:

The curse being lifted didn't cure the town it just stopped their progression into monsterdom. Also yes it was a normal planet.

Also yes Adell is SPECIFICALLY adopted... you even meet his real parents.

If it is a normal planet does that mean it is in the Celestia, real world or Netherworld. Still feeling like the Netherworld. I forgot the 2 masked demons were his parents. So they are all demons, seems simple it was the Netherworld. The curse seems to just reduce int.
Like I said misinformation, lies and deception. So you are working with what you believe you know. Like I forgot Adell is a demon because I spend so many hours before the final chapter hearing the lie.

[Fel]

In disgaea 2, the myth passed around is that the planet used to be a normal "human world" type planet that was cursed, but most of the story asks you if it's really the case or instead a netherworld whose inhabitants have been hypnotized/brainwashed into thinking that they were former humans turned monsters.

It's funny how most netherworlds before disgaea 5 were big (at least a full continent and up to a whole planet), with various locations and climates, but in disgaea 5 every netherworld is a tiny place with a single theme (even the so-called large ones you visit don't show more varied locations).
It's the same with the power of the overlords, they are significantly weak compared to what was shown in the other games (even without mentionning the whole crew of makai kingdom because every single one of those are at baal level where their presence in a weaker netherworld would be enough to collapse it).

[FriKitty]

Haven't beaten the story yet, and it certainly tries to be more serious and edgy than D1 and D2, I think (those are the ones I've played), but I can't see how is D1 so good to you guys x'D Like, I found it pretty average yet enjoyable, as well as D2's story (I liked D2 more, though).

I'm starting to think that the overall opinion that D1 is the best story is a bit based in nostalgia (?)

[AliceTheGorgon]

Originally posted by FriKitty:

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It's not nostalgia. There have been numerous comparisons of charaters and scenes posted in this very thread.
Even in your own post you definitly appear to think D1 is better than D5.

Granted, people's exact favorite varries a bit, and most people do have at least a few things they liked in newer games.

[Automaton Spy]

Originally posted by FriKitty:

Haven't beaten the story yet, and it certainly tries to be more serious and edgy than D1 and D2, I think (those are the ones I've played), but I can't see how is D1 so good to you guys x'D Like, I found it pretty average yet enjoyable, as well as D2's story (I liked D2 more, though).

I'm starting to think that the overall opinion that D1 is the best story is a bit based in nostalgia (?)

I really loved D2 and D5. If only for the main chars to be grown up men. I love Laharl and company, but i can't bring myself to like them more than Adell.

Maybe i'm just a sucker for Rozalin.

[Neonivek]

Originally posted by SivartStoneheart:

Originally posted by Neonivek:

The curse being lifted didn't cure the town it just stopped their progression into monsterdom. Also yes it was a normal planet.

Also yes Adell is SPECIFICALLY adopted... you even meet his real parents.

If it is a normal planet does that mean it is in the Celestia, real world or Netherworld. Still feeling like the Netherworld. I forgot the 2 masked demons were his parents. So they are all demons, seems simple it was the Netherworld. The curse seems to just reduce int.
Like I said misinformation, lies and deception. So you are working with what you believe you know. Like I forgot Adell is a demon because I spend so many hours before the final chapter hearing the lie.

The reason Adell was immune to what was going on in the town was because he was a demon.

the town is an earth.

[vary10]

Originally posted by Neonivek:

Originally posted by SivartStoneheart:

If it is a normal planet does that mean it is in the Celestia, real world or Netherworld. Still feeling like the Netherworld. I forgot the 2 masked demons were his parents. So they are all demons, seems simple it was the Netherworld. The curse seems to just reduce int.
Like I said misinformation, lies and deception. So you are working with what you believe you know. Like I forgot Adell is a demon because I spend so many hours before the final chapter hearing the lie.

The reason Adell was immune to what was going on in the town was because he was a demon.

the town is an earth.

If i recall correctly Adell never knew that he was adopted and none of the "humans" appearences change during the game (as opposed to their mental state). And Mom's summoning abilities raise a lot of suspicion. Also it seems that Adell's real parents were on Overlord level (otherwise Zenon would not bother making them his servants). So, it is possible that Adell's parents were Overlords of Holt, and he, as their child, was more immune to the curse and lost less memories. Moreover, there are a lot of hints that Adell is an Overlord: changes of title in D2 and other appearences, overlord's equipment and Overload in D5.