Magic Extract

[Izziee]

If you put innocents in it they work right?

Since magic extract is easy to get from prisoners it's a good way to boost your stats, but I read only put HP in it because other stats have a max or something, but if you're not close to the max, then it doesn't matter does it?

Also, do other innocents work, ones like charm and stuff? or is it _only_ HP/SP/ATK etc? What about ones in between like "professional" that increases your chance to crit? The crit icon doesn't change when I put them in but I don't know if it's because the innocents themselves don't make a full point so it's only going up like 0.3% or something?

[Fel]

They do work, just like they work on healing items for example, meaning that only the stats the item is supposed to use are taken into account.

Putting a max stack statistician on an extract and feeding that extract to 5 characters (through the maid's last rank's evility) will not give the max exp multiplier to those characters, sadly, but if you are mass breeding max stack stat innocents and want to speed reaching the cap for extract a bit faster (or go for HP only like you said), it is definitely a good way to make use of those.

I don't know about "special" stats like move or crit, but I would guess that it would not work either.

[Tanasinn [AZ]]

Oh wow, I didn't think of that. So since I'm just starting out and have quite a few red Innocents for raw stats, instead of tossing them, I can put them into those magic extracts? Awesome!

[Fel]

To be fair, until you have the innocent farm producing you max size stacks it's not exactly worth using your stats innocents on extracts.
Sure, you could put your very low value ones to get rid of them and get a bit out of it, but it is easy even early on to get extracts of a few hundreds in each stat (second from last map in poisondise coupled with cheat shop and you can capture 3 at a time and map clear it just with that as well, meaning you can repeat many times per minute) meaning that a few extra points are not worth anything, and later on it skyrockets so much that only massive stacks of innocents can make any noticeable difference.

(also be careful, assembly's fusion of your extracts make the innocent on the items vanish into oblivion so only put innocent if you are preparing to use the extract)

[Tanasinn [AZ]]

I guess that makes sense. I'm still at the point where I think innocents in the 10s are a good find. I haven't played since the first Disgaea so I'll just have to keep progressing until the game tells me about that innocent farm.

[Silamon]

They never specifically mention the innocent farm actually, it just pops up saying that a new innocent squad is available. Putting someone in that squad adds innocent farm to the innocent manager npc.

[Drobodur]

Greedely and stupidly wasted all 256 slots, on lvl 1-2 inocents, from the low level items ... Now extracts are only way to get rid of them, because now I get lvl 3-5 inocents in items, but have no free space to manage them. (And too greedy to just drop them in the items and sell them).

As far as I read - extracts / shard + stats have cap limit (in millions), and it is different from cap from stat leveling.
Also they are wasted when you reincarnate (and you really should).

Still way better mechanic, then stat-stealing with thiefs in previous games.

[Binary]

It's a complete waste to put innocents in shard/extracts, the amount you get is negligible
Also no, you don't lose shard/extract bonus on reincarnation

[Drobodur]

Can't combine them when they are red, and have ton of them just from randoms items from level bonus + that one smart guy evility (item on stage clear).

I was clearing inosents from every single item, I got. Thats a lot of lvl 1 dietisians.

At chapter 4, and do item world moderatly - I am just too lazy to push to chapter 12, to unlock farm yet.

P.S. And if they are not wasted on reincarnation, now - then I am a happy panda.

[Izziee]

Originally posted by Milkman:

It's a complete waste to put innocents in shard/extracts, the amount you get is negligible
Also no, you don't lose shard/extract bonus on reincarnation

What do you mean? Why is it negligable? You can just put innocents with thousands of points in them?

[Fennel]

Originally posted by Izziee:

Originally posted by Milkman:

It's a complete waste to put innocents in shard/extracts, the amount you get is negligible
Also no, you don't lose shard/extract bonus on reincarnation

What do you mean? Why is it negligable? You can just put innocents with thousands of points in them?

Because in the post-game you'll be earning extracts with over 400 thousand stats every 10-15 minutes (even faster maybe). I believe that's what they meant.

[Izziee]

Originally posted by Discos and Dragons:

Originally posted by Izziee:

What do you mean? Why is it negligable? You can just put innocents with thousands of points in them?

Because in the post-game you'll be earning extracts with over 400 thousand stats every 10-15 minutes (even faster maybe). I believe that's what they meant.

Yeah but there's still the leading up to that and what else you going to do with them? My bank is full and I spend forever trying to organise them, otherwise they just get sold.

[Fel]

It all depends on how you play, because if you are around chapter 9 and decided to go do side stuff (innocent farm and such), it would be fairly easy to get max stack double stat innocents worth 50k stats, and at that point in the game those stats are definitely worth a lot more than what you can hope to get from extracts.
The hundreds of thousands stats per extract in post game comes at a fairly late point too, so before you can really farm asagis or the martial map (at 20 stars in LoC for mass captures being the "best" but it's not exactly easy to reach that without grinding first) you would not get that much from extracts.

From chapter 9 when you start the innocent farm to post-game, you could definitely use some innocents to give a fairly sizeable boost to a few characters in dire need of stats.
You would probably not focus too much effort in that because it's definitely not the most ideal way to boost your stats and at that point you most likely still have room in your equipments for those max stack innocents, but it's till a possibility if you want to give a specific unit a big boost on top of the equipment (to start clearing those harder maps for example).

[Fennel]

Originally posted by Izziee:

Yeah but there's still the leading up to that and what else you going to do with them? My bank is full and I spend forever trying to organise them, otherwise they just get sold.

I can't stop you, I just agree with the other guy in that going through that extra step before using them seems pointless. I'd just throw them into whatever items you can to quickly clear space and only keep the rare ones to start making stacks later (those rare ones don't go up much on number so even if they are 1 or 2 they are useful).

[Raikuri Hirei]

Originally posted by Milkman:

It's a complete waste to put innocents in shard/extracts, the amount you get is negligible
Also no, you don't lose shard/extract bonus on reincarnation

Regardless, being on point with the conversation, I never actually placed any Innocents into the Extracts, since it never even came across my mind. For me, I started by maximizing levels of the best equipments I had my hands on at the moment, created 4 support characters for buffing purposes, and doped the hell out of my one Sage to have just enough ability to mow down the Asagis in normal mode, then jumped on some better gears, maximized level, mowed down LoC Asagis, jumped into Traps, and bam, finally cleared normal Ba'al and LoC Liezerotta. I'm yet to clear LoC Ba'al as that guy's ridiculous as ♥♥♥♥ (Took out my 4 main characters of 99m stats in a single turn T-T wtf...).

That was really stretched out and pretty much unrelated to be honest, but to put it simple, there are things you'd likely do considered to be inefficient by others, but so long as you have fun doing it your way, isn't it better than just to follow some guide of 'MAX STATS EZ WAY', and instead, try to find some creative method of maxing your goons?