Grind

[Ghostface]

First of all this is first Disgaea game I've ever played, and well the more i play the more new stuff game throws at me. So i've got a simple question, is there any point of grinding item worlds etc, i mean while im playing main story ? Or shop items will be enough to beat it ? Thanks.

[Z3n]

Shop items are enough.

[Ghostface]

Thanks

[Pickleton]

My recommendation to everyone who ever plays a Disgaea (and this is pretty universal) is to reincarnate everyone once around chapter 3 and catch back up in levels, and then again somewhere between chapters 6 and 9.
Doing this can lead to you having 15-20% more stats in the late game which REALLY cuts down on the grinding during later parts of the main story.

[Phantom]

Strongly disagree

Reincarnation is great but main story wise you can reincarnate and spend an hour or two rebuilding characters or just power level to 200 and stomp all the story stuff in 10 minutes

Reincarnation until you are at true power leveling zones with some equipment to back it up is kind of pointless

[Pickleton]

That's extremely inefficient.

Ch3 in each game generally has a good spot to do this. In D5's case, it's the Gate Key, which enemy levels are essentially hard-locked and enemy equip is low rank.
At that point in the game, you should be able to reincarnate your entire party, set enemies to 10-15 stars in cheat shop and catch everyone up in a handful of kills each.
Doing so will have a compound effect on your stats that will carry you until the mid-point.
To keep the same edge in stats based only on levels would require far more grinding over time.

[Phantom]

Probably more of an authority on this series of game than anyone else on steam, just saying.

That being said, its the main story can be breezed without doing anything other than extremely minor 'powerleveling'

Reincarnation while beneficial yes, its not necessary and not the most efficient route this time around... Especially given the DLC characters you get access to

It becomes something you should think of doing at the level 1000 mark, preferably after you make some low end equipment that can help you get back to that quickly

Yes doing what you said will work, but it will take more time to get there

[Binary]

I'll have to disagree too, there is little reason to reincarnate before postgame
In D5 you can easily get past level 100 in less than an hour from a new game and steamroll the story from there

[iHaku]

Originally posted by IG Pickleton:

That's extremely inefficient.

Ch3 in each game generally has a good spot to do this. In D5's case, it's the Gate Key, which enemy levels are essentially hard-locked and enemy equip is low rank.
At that point in the game, you should be able to reincarnate your entire party, set enemies to 10-15 stars in cheat shop and catch everyone up in a handful of kills each.
Doing so will have a compound effect on your stats that will carry you until the mid-point.
To keep the same edge in stats based only on levels would require far more grinding over time.

you dont need this at all. curry, elemental damage weapons and killia on a counterbuild can carry straight to the end of the game without reincarnationa and only a very short grinding session. that's why the speedrun doesnt reincarnate aswell, it's a waste of time *if you want to go fast*

i'm not saying a casual player shouldnt reincarnate for fun or whatever, but saying *it's extreamly inefficient* is plain wrong.

[Pickleton]

Originally posted by Sausage Swiper:

I'll have to disagree too, there is little reason to reincarnate before postgame
In D5 you can easily get past level 100 in less than an hour from a new game and steamroll the story from there

If you know what you're doing, yes. I'm talking about for someone that's playing their first run of their first Disgaea.
As fun as some people might find it to play the same level 50 times, it's probably not the most engaging introduction to the franchise.

Originally posted by iHaku:

Originally posted by IG Pickleton:

That's extremely inefficient.

Ch3 in each game generally has a good spot to do this. In D5's case, it's the Gate Key, which enemy levels are essentially hard-locked and enemy equip is low rank.
At that point in the game, you should be able to reincarnate your entire party, set enemies to 10-15 stars in cheat shop and catch everyone up in a handful of kills each.
Doing so will have a compound effect on your stats that will carry you until the mid-point.
To keep the same edge in stats based only on levels would require far more grinding over time.

you dont need this at all. curry, elemental damage weapons and killia on a counterbuild can carry straight to the end of the game without reincarnationa and only a very short grinding session. that's why the speedrun doesnt reincarnate aswell, it's a waste of time *if you want to go fast*

i'm not saying a casual player shouldnt reincarnate for fun or whatever, but saying *it's extreamly inefficient* is plain wrong.

Are you suggesting that for someone's first play through their first Disgaea they should be solo-Killia speedrun strats?
If the person's running speedrun strats, it's either not their first time or they're following a guide.
For someone playing a Disgaea for the first time, reincarnation is a simple mechanic that's been around since the first game that ends up saving time/grinding over the course of the story.
Is it the be-all-end-all? Nah. But it's probably the easiest way for a new player to get in to the series. Think of the difference in time taken to level from 100 to 110 when you don't know how to use the cheat shop and lvl99 trick. Now imagine that you spent 15 minutes in chapter 3 (if even that) reincarnating everyone during the mandatory Gate Key section and had a 10% to stats bonus. I guarantee you that going from 100 to 110 in that situation will take more than 15 minutes, so you've already broke even on time.

[kingofanime7]

I go to the item world all the time just to get new and better weapons, capturing enemies to lvl up squads faster, putting better stats on good weapons & armor, and my characters level up at a decent pace i found. i'm on chapter 6 on the main story when Zeroken joins your party. oh yeah I also take advantage of the Netherworld Expedition too during the main story since you get even more better weapons, armor, enemies to interrogate, and your characters level up too(if they went to explore).

[iHaku]

Originally posted by IG Pickleton:

Are you suggesting that for someone's first play through their first Disgaea they should be solo-Killia speedrun strats? [...]

no but apperently you didnt read the entirety of my post.

"i'm not saying a casual player shouldnt reincarnate for fun or whatever, but saying *it's extreamly inefficient* is plain wrong."

im simply critizising that you said that its inefficient, when its literally the standard for efficiency in disgaea 5.

[Pickleton]

Originally posted by iHaku:

Originally posted by IG Pickleton:

Are you suggesting that for someone's first play through their first Disgaea they should be solo-Killia speedrun strats? [...]

no but apperently you didnt read the entirety of my post.

"i'm not saying a casual player shouldnt reincarnate for fun or whatever, but saying *it's extreamly inefficient* is plain wrong."

im simply critizising that you said that its inefficient, when its literally the standard for efficiency in disgaea 5.

Grinding out levels is extremely inefficient compared to the myriad of other ways to get stronger. Raw levels have never been the key to success in Disgaea games. Even the speedrun strats employ heavy use of squads, training flag, curry, evilities, etc to offset the low base stats a non-reincarnation route forces you to deal with. Considering a person on their first playthrough isn't going to know the thresholds for how strong you need to be to barely beat levels or take advantage of map exploits (squad attack shenanigans, etc.), they're going to need to grind out more stats than would be in a speedrun anyways. Doing so without reincarnation will be inefficient.

All that to say: a simple way for a first timer to get through the story while maintaining the spirit of the game is to reincarnate a couple times throughout the story to get a nice stat advantage. If I can do a "story characters only, no repeat maps, no IW (outside the mandatory one), and 1 character per weapon type" run with 2 rounds of reincarnation mixed in there with no problems, a first timer not running on such restrictions should have no problems beating the game with just the store items.