Disgaea 5 Complete

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NecroMaster Jul 14, 2019 @ 11:59am
Training the shaman
The shaman has no means of offense.
And simply debugging enemy’s doesn’t seem to allow her to collect large amounts of mana.

So she can neither level up at a decent rate or collect mana for good evilitys relatively quick.

A debuffing character has a good skill set however later on she won’t be much use unless her stats improve somehow.

What can I do to actually train her decently.
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Pickleton Jul 14, 2019 @ 12:24pm 
The easiest would be to start out as a mage/skull/magic knight and then reincarnate into a shaman.

If you're being a purist, it would depend on what part of the game you're in.
Early-game check the quest board between every single battle to see if there's a quest with a spell as a reward.
Mid-game you could run character world to get a spell scroll and teach it to the sorcerer.
Post-game you can throw the sorcerer in a squad to use/learn spells from someone else.
DaBa Jul 14, 2019 @ 5:10pm 
At a certain point, leveling up characters or gaining mana stops becoming a thing you worry about. My personal suggestion is to not bother training support characters at the beginning, it takes way too long and it more trouble than it's worth. You should focus on directly improving your main character, or anybody else who you've chosen to be your early game killing machine. You'll get to the point where you can farm exp and mana efficiently, and you''ll only have to put your support characters into exp/mana sharing squads in order for them to get trained in the matter of minutes. You'll also have access to some powerful gear that you would've already leveled up in the item world, so you'll only have to equip these on anybody if you wanted to, for example, do character world efficiently.

Also, a thing about support characters is that they don't need stats. They only exist to provide useful buffs to your main team, so learning those skills is usually enough training for any of them. Debuffs are a little bit more finicky, but you can also make those work later in the game once training any character becomes a formality.
forrestomintero Jul 20, 2019 @ 12:39pm 
Also, depending how far into the game you are, you can pick up skill scrolls to teach your shaman offensive magic. (such as fire, star etc) You might still have sucky stats, but if you feel compelled to train one, it at least gives you a better option.
On the other hand, you can use the same thing to teach buff skills. while you dont gain mana that way, it's a decent way to get XP as long as the person you buff is significantly higher level than your shaman.
Yal Jul 26, 2019 @ 10:41am 
Tower attacks divide EXP evenly between everyone, so you could get EXP on the support characters easily by having your strongest character lift them and then kill a map by only tower-attacking. Not sure if mana is also evenly divided between them, I'd just assume it is.

For offense, the elemental magic skill scrolls is probably the easiest way... once you unlock Chara World you could have your main mage go through it and create a spell scroll, and there's quests to get the basic fire / wind / ice / star spells early on.

Another option is to get all the spells levelled up a few levels (so you keep them even after reincarnating) and then reincarnate to an offensive mage. Better stats, offensive options, and you can still debuff enemies. (But the drawback is, you won't unlock stronger shamans unless you set it as a subclass)
forrestomintero Jul 26, 2019 @ 2:04pm 
you can also go through the item world, and hope a bottlemail drops what you need. This is a very random, unreliable method. Not recommended, but if you're planning to enter the item world anyway, it's worth remembering. Long item world dives can get you an interesting smattering of skill/evility scrolls to play with, and give you the chance to farm levels for your shaman.
Also might be worth subclassing to pick up useful evilities/extra stats, but you'll have to look up a list somewhere to decide which ones you want. Actually, getting a few stars on other classes, then reincarnating might be the best thing you can do to get around the low base stats of the shaman class. Is it efficient? No, but you're trying to farm a shaman in the regular game anyway, so whatevs. My recommendation is get 1 star each in whatever magical classes you have access to, give him an offensive magic skill scroll, and then reincarnate. You'll now have much higher base stats, plus an offensive skill to give you clearing power. Should at least make him viable if not op for the regular game.
Last edited by forrestomintero; Jul 26, 2019 @ 2:11pm
Iceberg Jul 30, 2019 @ 12:24am 
Originally posted by IG Pickleton:
The easiest would be to start out as a mage/skull/magic knight and then reincarnate into a shaman.

If you're being a purist, it would depend on what part of the game you're in.
Early-game check the quest board between every single battle to see if there's a quest with a spell as a reward.
Mid-game you could run character world to get a spell scroll and teach it to the sorcerer.
Post-game you can throw the sorcerer in a squad to use/learn spells from someone else.
Useful, thanks.
Iceberg Jul 30, 2019 @ 12:46am 
Originally posted by Yal:
Tower attacks divide EXP evenly between everyone, so you could get EXP on the support characters easily by having your strongest character lift them and then kill a map by only tower-attacking. Not sure if mana is also evenly divided between them, I'd just assume it is.

For offense, the elemental magic skill scrolls is probably the easiest way... once you unlock Chara World you could have your main mage go through it and create a spell scroll, and there's quests to get the basic fire / wind / ice / star spells early on.

Another option is to get all the spells levelled up a few levels (so you keep them even after reincarnating) and then reincarnate to an offensive mage. Better stats, offensive options, and you can still debuff enemies. (But the drawback is, you won't unlock stronger shamans unless you set it as a subclass)
This was pretty useful too.
Last edited by Iceberg; Jul 30, 2019 @ 12:46am
kx_tq Aug 5, 2019 @ 4:30pm 
Team attacks are also really helpful for leveling support classes. Sicily has a cheap evilty that makes allies join team attacks at 100% chance, just for her being on the map. Just have her equipped with the evilty somewhere on the map, do a normal melee attack with the 1-3 units in the adjacent spots to the attacker and they will all join in and get XP.

Another thing that is helpful if you have a strong monster is to magi-change into a weapon for the support character so they can get a temp stat boost and some special attacks.

Another really helpful thing is Flonne's "Iron Love fist" evilty that makes fist weapons attacks based on RES instead of the normal ATK+SPD. Not sure if the skills also update to RES or if it is just the normal attacks that get changed. You can run through the character world for Flonne and have her make her evilty into a scroll and use it on a support class you want to use.
TotoroLuvsGames Aug 5, 2019 @ 8:54pm 
Shamans naturally learn Star spells at a higher rank. They can also magichange with Metallia for damage until then.
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