About the ending *spoiler heavy*

[elonashooter]

Obviously this will be spoiler heavy. You have been warned.



So, did Kasumi keep her memories when the timeline reset? I feel like that was implied though I find it weird that she would and Takeru wouldn't.

That was not how I expected it to end, though it was poetic in a sense, and incredibly refreshing to go back to that stupid old routine from the first novel after everything that happened. I would kind of liked it if he had remembered he was in love with Sumika at least, though the ending we got is really fitting for Muv Luv.

Sumika was the best girl imo. Thoughts?
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[BAD GOY]

The answer is yes and i agree almost 100% whit all the rest.

[Starner]

Meiya was awesome! Yeah there are all kinds of theories about Kasumi and if she remembers and also some about why Takeru might not remember. If you get the chance read, "Before the Shimmering Time Ends" from muv-luv altered fable.

[anne flank]

I think it was heavily implied she remembers everything, Hell Takeru's body seems to remember some things about the alt universe but he doesn't have those memories "unlocked" so to say. As for the ending, I agree with you, it was poetic and I was happy Takeru is able to live in peace with all his friends but man It almost makes it feel like all that character building for 40+ hours was all for naught. Meiya's sendoff was really sad but I thought was well executed making it the most emotional moment for me in the game. With all that being said, I'm excited that they are translating the photon melodies and I cant wait to jump back into the MUV LUV universe!

[Compliant]

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Yeah I think you're right. The only thing that confused me was when she burst into tears of gratitude when he called her Yashiro, showing that he DIDNT remember her. So basically only she was given the ability to remember everything (only she was shoehorned into this particular universe all together, at least the no longer dead sister existed there originally).

I think maybe I am over analyzing it, and she just burst into tears of gratitude regardless of what name he used and whether he remembered her.

[elonashooter]

Originally posted by Stricken:

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Yeah I think you're right. The only thing that confused me was when she burst into tears of gratitude when he called her Yashiro, showing that he DIDNT remember her. So basically only she was given the ability to remember everything (only she was shoehorned into this particular universe all together, at least the no longer dead sister existed there originally).

I think maybe I am over analyzing it, and she just burst into tears of gratitude regardless of what name he used and whether he remembered her.

Actually... I think she burst into tears of gratitude for Sumika because she brought her into the world.

[Compliant]

Originally posted by elonashooter:

Originally posted by Stricken:

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Yeah I think you're right. The only thing that confused me was when she burst into tears of gratitude when he called her Yashiro, showing that he DIDNT remember her. So basically only she was given the ability to remember everything (only she was shoehorned into this particular universe all together, at least the no longer dead sister existed there originally).

I think maybe I am over analyzing it, and she just burst into tears of gratitude regardless of what name he used and whether he remembered her.

Actually... I think she burst into tears of gratitude for Sumika because she brought her into the world.

Yeah that's what I was thinking. I was just confused because she burst into tears the second after he addressed her by her last name - so I was reading into it thinking that meant she was upset that he didn't remember her (and thus address her with her first name).

The emphasis on honorifics and names is so Japanese and foreign and crazy, but it's a fun part of the puzzle.

[mirek83]

Did he really jumped into modEXTRA world at the end? When I think of it the more it feels like some advanced projection/memory implantation by Kasumi. If you know Meiya's route in EXTRA then there's no reason for Meiya appearing at all at the end along with her sister. If Yuuhi was alive then either Meiya would stay in Takeru's neighbourhood having no reason to be brought back by the Zaibatsu or if the sisters being together was no longer a problem then she wouldn't be sent there in the first place, thus not meeting Takeru at all and again having to go back there.
My second argument is that Takeru was no longer able to "jump" to any other world at the end and all the Yuuko's talk was her being considerate in her own way. You can say he had willpower to do so but notice how he was able to shift only when brainSumika was still alive and after the 00 unit was completed he no longer had any "dreams" about the other worlds. The 00 Sumika wasn't the source of Takeru being causality conductor, the brain was, meaning he already stopped being one in the middle of the story. So he was already out of loopback option without realizing that at all, him being dense and all.
Bottom line is Takeru was screwed anyway and the fantasy world was created in his head as thanks for saving the world. Keeping that in mind I wonder if the gun Yuuko was offering wasn't meant for him as another way out. Or am I just overthinking it and Takeru was in fact transported to a world with an even bigger harem for himself?

[elonashooter]

Originally posted by mirek83:

Did he really jumped into modEXTRA world at the end? When I think of it the more it feels like some advanced projection/memory implantation by Kasumi. If you know Meiya's route in EXTRA then there's no reason for Meiya appearing at all at the end along with her sister. If Yuuhi was alive then either Meiya would stay in Takeru's neighbourhood having no reason to be brought back by the Zaibatsu or if the sisters being together was no longer a problem then she wouldn't be sent there in the first place, thus not meeting Takeru at all and again having to go back there.
My second argument is that Takeru was no longer able to "jump" to any other world at the end and all the Yuuko's talk was her being considerate in her own way. You can say he had willpower to do so but notice how he was able to shift only when brainSumika was still alive and after the 00 unit was completed he no longer had any "dreams" about the other worlds. The 00 Sumika wasn't the source of Takeru being causality conductor, the brain was, meaning he already stopped being one in the middle of the story. So he was already out of loopback option without realizing that at all, him being dense and all.
Bottom line is Takeru was screwed anyway and the fantasy world was created in his head as thanks for saving the world. Keeping that in mind I wonder if the gun Yuuko was offering wasn't meant for him as another way out. Or am I just overthinking it and Takeru was in fact transported to a world with an even bigger harem for himself?

Uh... what? Like seriously what? The game directly explains that Sumika made him the causality conductor, as a brain she wasn't aware of it sure, but there's no reason to believe it stopped when she became the 00 unit... I mean she literally comitted suicide because of that. As to why he stops dreaming, I'm pretty sure that had to do with his newfound resolve, he was really and truly determined to save the world and protect what matters, so even when he slept he wasn't being pulled back to his original world. As to the ending... dude it also directly explained that the affected timelines from Takeru's causality (of which there were many since he was in fact an amalgamation of many Takeru's from many worlds... which presumably all were non-Sumika routes, and furthermore it was directly stated that Sumika's will would directly impact the new timeline. Hence why we get something almost exactly the same as the first 15 minutes of Extra but with a couple of new characters in due to Sumika's influence.

So basically I have no idea how you came to that conclusion but that interpretation clashes with the stated facts.

[elonashooter]

Originally posted by elonashooter:

Originally posted by mirek83:

Did he really jumped into modEXTRA world at the end? When I think of it the more it feels like some advanced projection/memory implantation by Kasumi. If you know Meiya's route in EXTRA then there's no reason for Meiya appearing at all at the end along with her sister. If Yuuhi was alive then either Meiya would stay in Takeru's neighbourhood having no reason to be brought back by the Zaibatsu or if the sisters being together was no longer a problem then she wouldn't be sent there in the first place, thus not meeting Takeru at all and again having to go back there.
My second argument is that Takeru was no longer able to "jump" to any other world at the end and all the Yuuko's talk was her being considerate in her own way. You can say he had willpower to do so but notice how he was able to shift only when brainSumika was still alive and after the 00 unit was completed he no longer had any "dreams" about the other worlds. The 00 Sumika wasn't the source of Takeru being causality conductor, the brain was, meaning he already stopped being one in the middle of the story. So he was already out of loopback option without realizing that at all, him being dense and all.
Bottom line is Takeru was screwed anyway and the fantasy world was created in his head as thanks for saving the world. Keeping that in mind I wonder if the gun Yuuko was offering wasn't meant for him as another way out. Or am I just overthinking it and Takeru was in fact transported to a world with an even bigger harem for himself?

Uh... what? Like seriously what? The game directly explains that Sumika made him the causality conductor, as a brain she wasn't aware of it sure, but there's no reason to believe it stopped when she became the 00 unit... I mean she literally comitted suicide because of that. As to why he stops dreaming, I'm pretty sure that had to do with his newfound resolve, he was really and truly determined to save the world and protect what matters, so even when he slept he wasn't being pulled back to his original world. As to the ending... dude it also directly explained that the affected timelines from Takeru's causality (of which there were many since he was in fact an amalgamation of many Takeru's from many worlds... which presumably all were non-Sumika routes, and furthermore it was directly stated that Sumika's will would directly impact the new timeline. Hence why we get something almost exactly the same as the first 15 minutes of Extra but with a couple of new characters in due to Sumika's influence.

So basically I have no idea how you came to that conclusion but that interpretation clashes with the stated facts.

[mirek83]

Originally posted by elonashooter:

Uh... what? Like seriously what? The game directly explains that Sumika made him the causality conductor, as a brain she wasn't aware of it sure, but there's no reason to believe it stopped when she became the 00 unit... I mean she literally comitted suicide because of that. As to why he stops dreaming, I'm pretty sure that had to do with his newfound resolve, he was really and truly determined to save the world and protect what matters, so even when he slept he wasn't being pulled back to his original world. As to the ending... dude it also directly explained that the affected timelines from Takeru's causality (of which there were many since he was in fact an amalgamation of many Takeru's from many worlds... which presumably all were non-Sumika routes, and furthermore it was directly stated that Sumika's will would directly impact the new timeline. Hence why we get something almost exactly the same as the first 15 minutes of Extra but with a couple of new characters in due to Sumika's influence.

So basically I have no idea how you came to that conclusion but that interpretation clashes with the stated facts.

Well, for one the whole causality businesswas caused by the brainSumika's strong wish and G-bombs gravity phenomenon. That's how I view it - the wish is the source and Takeru looping back is because the brain was still there and so was the wish. But when the 00 unit was completed the brain died and the wish with it. Now, the 00 unit in all its glory is basically a copy that wasn't present at the time G-bombs exploded and so couldn't be the source. Takeru already eliminated that source when he helped finish current Sumika.
Next the ending: current Takuru being amalgamation of many more raises problem of itself namely he wouldn't have a world to go back to and instead every memory went where it belonged, therefore causing the alternativeTakeru cease to exist basically. What we see in final Extra is just one version of the character who got some stray memories and as we know those mean nothing without a context then we he got teary-eyed, not knowing why, he quickly went over it. As for why Kasumi is there it's anybody's guess though. You can argue it was Sumika's magic power will, but then again she could also write BETA out of existence and be done with the problem.

[milgate1]

Originally posted by Starner:

Meiya was awesome! Yeah there are all kinds of theories about Kasumi and if she remembers and also some about why Takeru might not remember. If you get the chance read, "Before the Shimmering Time Ends" from muv-luv altered fable.

Where do I find Muv-Luv Altered Fable? I just completed the trilogy for the first time; was unaware Muv-Luv existed until I came across it on Steam this year.

[elonashooter]

Originally posted by milgate1:

Originally posted by Starner:

Meiya was awesome! Yeah there are all kinds of theories about Kasumi and if she remembers and also some about why Takeru might not remember. If you get the chance read, "Before the Shimmering Time Ends" from muv-luv altered fable.

Where do I find Muv-Luv Altered Fable? I just completed the trilogy for the first time; was unaware Muv-Luv existed until I came across it on Steam this year.

It hasn't been released yet (in English at least). They should be releasing Photon Flowers in 2019, and Photon Melodies somewhere in the 2019-2020 range. (Photon Melodies is the fandisk that contains Altered Fable).