Denuvo

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Denuvo killed this game thru.

[Massacher]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Retcon Rob:

Początkowo opublikowane przez thisserviceismadeoffail:

I mean, generally when you stick Denuvo in your game it means that as soon as it's cracked, pirates will get the better performing version of the game. It's just ass-backwards because it makes many paying customers wait to buy until they can install a crack for their legit copy of the game.

There's no one left in the pirate scene who can crack denuvo.

Yea there is. Fitgirl, Empress, codex, flt to name just a few.

[Rich Mobb]

Denuvo is good it literally doesn't effect anything negatively, think you missed a spot with the tinfoil.

[Quagimus Decimus]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Veraxus:

A friend just told me about the game. I went to the Steam page, saw the Denuvo box, and added it to my ignore list. If the developers/publisher reads this forum at all, know this... Denuvo costs you sales. Actual sales. Not imaginary "pirates would have bought it if only..." sales, but real ones that would have ACTUALLY put money in your pocket.

I, like many others, will not spend a cent on software infected with Denuvo malware. I buy to own, not to rent from you until something breaks or you decide to take it away or turn off a server. Denuvo is malware and I don't buy malware. Full stop. End of story.

>plays Indiana Jones..
whines about denuvo

make it make sense.

[Retcon Rob]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Massacher:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Retcon Rob:

There's no one left in the pirate scene who can crack denuvo.

Yea there is. Fitgirl, Empress, codex, flt to name just a few.

You're not up to date. Check out piracy subreddits and other hang outs.

[Hi, my name is Reggie ♡]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Mity0:

I was interested in the game. I was going to add it to my wish list. I won't anymore.

Same, but I still keep it on the wishlist.
I'm relatively sure, 10 hours after the release and not even hitting 5k players on Steam, that they're going to remove it within a year. As an addition, it isn't a billion-dollar publisher that does it just because they can throw money on Irdeto.
I just buy it (hopefully bug-free) and with a nice discount in a year.

Guys, be smart just wait.

[thisserviceismadeoffail]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Quagimus Decimus:

>plays Indiana Jones..
whines about denuvo

make it make sense.

Like, a bunch of folks bought it when it was confirmed it didn't have Denuvo. What's to say? Bethesda knew the optics, so when rumours it would have it began to surface, and that caused bad PR, they quickly issued a clear statement that it did not. It launched, and didn't have it. People bought it. Shockingly it wasn't a commercial failure due to rampant piracy or whatever.

[thisserviceismadeoffail]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Hi, my name is Reggie ♡:

I'm relatively sure, 10 hours after the release and not even hitting 5k players on Steam, that they're going to remove it within a year.

I mean, most games, they remove it in 1-3 years, even the big major league AAA publishers. Smaller ones, your Dovetails and such, patch it out at about 18 months.

[Van]

no buy

[thisserviceismadeoffail]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Massacher:

Being on gamepass it still has Denuvo. When a game has it implemented it doesn't matter what store its on.

Well, except if you also have a console and play the XBox version instead, since that's usually a reliable way to experience the Denuvo-free version of a game, just with worse quality graphics than your PC could be capable of... That tradeoff's usually only worth it right at the beginning of a console generation though, when the games are still cross-gen and run pretty well on the new consoles. Eventually as the generation goes on, the performance hit gets worse than Denuvo causes anyway.

[Massacher]

Początkowo opublikowane przez thisserviceismadeoffail:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Massacher:

Being on gamepass it still has Denuvo. When a game has it implemented it doesn't matter what store its on.

Well, except if you also have a console and play the XBox version instead, since that's usually a reliable way to experience the Denuvo-free version of a game, just with worse quality graphics than your PC could be capable of... That tradeoff's usually only worth it right at the beginning of a console generation though, when the games are still cross-gen and run pretty well on the new consoles. Eventually as the generation goes on, the performance hit gets worse than Denuvo causes anyway.

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consoles also have Denuvo.

[Carl Brutananadilewski]

I think denuvo is more for the shareholders at this point, I'm fairly sure devs are aware pirates will pirate regardless of the DRM, if someone is going to buy it they will buy it even if they pirate it first to see how they like it. Denuvo, while nothing I worry about, seems more like something investors or the like whine about than something the devs personally worry over.

[thisserviceismadeoffail]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Massacher:

consoles also have Denuvo.

Console versions don't tend to, since there's existing DRM baked in in the platform hardware lock, and third party DRM is just a mess to include on top of that, like how the installs limit would screw with the existing setup of the platform's walled garden. You don't need other forms of third party DRM because you have the platform holder's DRM and that tends not to be cracked on XBox. Largely as there's a super open homebrew dev scene that Microsoft support, meaning there's not the incentive for folks to actually create the mods for the console in the first place which in most historical scenarios provide a basis which could then be utilised for piracy.
I think Switch is the one console platform it's ever been seen on? But that's the #1 console target for jailbreaking.

It's part of how with some games you can assess the performance impact by comparing the difference between the PC and console versions.

[thisserviceismadeoffail]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Carl Brutananadilewski:

I think denuvo is more for the shareholders at this point, I'm fairly sure devs are aware pirates will pirate regardless of the DRM, if someone is going to buy it they will buy it even if they pirate it first to see how they like it. Denuvo, while nothing I worry about, seems more like something investors or the like whine about than something the devs personally worry over.

Entirely. It's a placebo for investors, nothing more. It's a reliable industry grift.

[Mr D Grim]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Massacher:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Retcon Rob:

There's no one left in the pirate scene who can crack denuvo.

Yea there is. Fitgirl, Empress, codex, flt to name just a few.

well that's one way to show everyone who is slightly knowledgeable on the subject. you don't know a thing :P
Empress is pretty much gone. for over a year now even. if i remember right doxxed and legal issues? could be wrong about the reason.
fitgirl does NOT crack. only repack.
Empress was the denuvo cracker FOR codex.. so with empress gone. codex doesn't crack denuvo either.

[Massacher]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Mr D Grim:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Massacher:

Yea there is. Fitgirl, Empress, codex, flt to name just a few.

well that's one way to show everyone who is slightly knowledgeable on the subject. you don't know a thing :P
Empress is pretty much gone. for over a year now even. if i remember right doxxed and legal issues? could be wrong about the reason.
fitgirl does NOT crack. only repack.
Empress was the denuvo cracker FOR codex.. so with empress gone. codex doesn't crack denuvo either.

There are other older groups that still crack. Shows what you know