Shame about denuvo

[DrLegit]

I have had my eye on this game for a while but it seems i missed it would be including denuvo so i will have to give it a pass while the publishers feel the need to install 3rd party software onto my device to play it

[Large Tomatoes]

Donaldo Trumpado님이 먼저 게시:

Plenty of modern games aren't cracked. The game runs fine and it doesn't affect people's experience. The purpose it serves is keeping it out of the hands of people who don't purchase it, which any business should want to do

Such as? Can you give me a few examples of these modern games that haven't been cracked?

As myself and others keep repeating, it has been proven by various people that Denovu does in fact affect performance, this is not open for debate. Also, as I and other have repeated multiple times, if somebody isn't going to buy the game anyway they won't. If somebody is going to buy it then they will regardless. DRM doesn't magically stop people from waiting a few weeks to get the game, copy protection is something that has been around for decades but the piracy community is stronger than ever.

DRM doesn't work, it never has, DRM only harms the legitimate consumer. What exactly are you arguing against/for here?

[Dahn]

Donaldo Trumpado님이 먼저 게시:

Plenty of modern games aren't cracked. The game runs fine and it doesn't affect people's experience. The purpose it serves is keeping it out of the hands of people who don't purchase it, which any business should want to do

And there you go, lying again.
Come on shill, explain why you are so devoted to protecting something that doesn't benefit you at all.
Denuvo only works briefly, and yet companies keep it on there for YEARS, long after the crackers have broken the DRM.

All they are doing is turning away legitimate customers.
Those who would never buy it still would not, and those who abhor the anti-consumer DRM that doesn't work for long don't buy it until the DRM is removed, by which time the game has been on sale for peanuts multiple times, loosing yet more money for the company, on top of the huge expenses that Denuvo costs.

I can guarantee that there would be hardly any complaints if the companies only had Denuvo on for the first month or so, which is the time that they claim is the period when they get most of the money coming in from a game's release.
That's been proven to be false, because of the actions of most publishers releasing broken and unfinished games, but that is a separate point.
If these companies only had Denuvo on for the limited time, then removed it, there are few who would complain, and the publishers wouldn't pay Denuvo so much AND would make more money from customers.

It would be child's play to monitor for when the game is cracked and remove the DRM then, which would be to everyone but Denuvo's benefit!

But no, Denuvo con the publishers into believing excessive lies, they pay shills like you to whine and lie on forums (They have admitted that previously) and they only cause trouble, prevent games from being played properly, cause issues with computers and cost everyone time and money with their nonsense.

But hey, you keep pushing the company lies that have been debunked hundreds of times before.
Maybe there's someone stupid enough to believe them this time, right?
You really are following in your fascist idol's footprints there, aren't you?

[Large Tomatoes]

Dahn님이 먼저 게시:

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Just as a quick interjection to prove your point, other platforms which base their entire business model on ZERO TOLERANCE DRM are and have been functioning for many years. GOG as an example, when you buy a game from them you get access to the DRM free offline installer of the game and all updates. If DRM really was all that stood between pirates and sales, then places like GOG would have gone out of business long ago.

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Large Tomatoes님이 먼저 게시:

Such as? Can you give me a few examples of these modern games that haven't been cracked?

yeah, all of them

[Dahn]

Bobby님이 먼저 게시:

utter drivel and lies

This really is typical of you shills, you can never actually answer WHY you are so dedicated to defending a company like Denuvo that claims that ALL gamers are thieves.
Instead, you push the same tired lies that you always do, nothing but the pathetic assumptions that everyone except you is a criminal.

Why is it that you cannot accept that not everyone is as stupid and gullible as you are?
You cannot deal with the concept that other people may have a different opinion and experiences than you have had, so you have to lie and call them criminals without a shred of evidence whatsoever?

You can lie all you want, but we can all see that is exactly what you are doing.
You cannot answer WHY you are so determined to defend Denuvo, and have to try to deflect and ignore it every time someone asks you.

FYI, I've more than 3500 games on Steam alone, discounting those on other platforms, as well as on physical media. My PC is more than capable of running everything on the market right now without strain.

Your whole "argument", for want of a better term, is that EVERYONE who complains about DRM is a thief and comes here complaining for what purpose exactly?

According to you, everyone who doesn't like Denuvo has already got a pirate copy, which means that Denuvo is a total failure. Why would anyone then bother coming here to comment on it, if they already could play without Denuvo bothering them?
Your whole premise is laughably false, and collapses in upon itself through being so utterly dumb from the start.

Come on then shill, explain stupidity you claim is the reason for conversation, and while you are at it, explain why you are so dedicated to defending a company that calls you a thief, as well as everyone else?

[Dahn]

space님이 먼저 게시:

Large Tomatoes님이 먼저 게시:

Such as? Can you give me a few examples of these modern games that haven't been cracked?

yeah, all of them

Well that is blatantly not true, your fellow shills claim that this game has already been cracked, as all Denuvo games are within a week or so of release.

That's what they are saying, although the adults in the room know that there are occasions where a game takes longer than that to crack.

What you are claiming is nothing more than a lazy and childish lie

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Dahn님이 먼저 게시:

Well that is blatantly not true, your fellow shills claim that this game has already been cracked, as all Denuvo games are within a week or so of release.

well, no, they're not, whatever you're seeing aren't "legit" releases, they're dummy files meant to infect your system with cryptominers or ransomware

there hasn't been anyone doing denuvo since 2023

[Dahn]

space님이 먼저 게시:

Dahn님이 먼저 게시:

Well that is blatantly not true, your fellow shills claim that this game has already been cracked, as all Denuvo games are within a week or so of release.

well, no, they're not, whatever you're seeing aren't "legit" releases, they're dummy files meant to infect your system with cryptominers or ransomware

there hasn't been anyone doing denuvo since 2023

And how do you know all this with such certainty?
And why are you chipping in when you don't have the game and yet are claiming such knowledge of cracking and what the groups are doing at present?

Sounds like you are either making things up, for previously mentioned reasons, or you yourself are someone who is familiar with breaking the law

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Dahn님이 먼저 게시:

And how do you know all this with such certainty?
And why are you chipping in when you don't have the game and yet are claiming such knowledge of cracking and what the groups are doing at present?

Sounds like you are either making things up, for previously mentioned reasons, or you yourself are someone who is familiar with breaking the law

i like to stay up to date on things

ignorance is never a good excuse for anything

[Dahn]

Well, a simple search shows that loads of Denuvo games have been cracked, within the last 2 years as well.
So, again, you are lying.

Who, unless they themselves download cracked games, stay up to date on what is and is not cracked?

I notice that you also didn't reply to WHY you are here defending Denuvo, when you don't even own the game.

Those of us who want to get the game, but not at the expense of having Denuvo infect their systems, have explained over and over again WHY we object to the parasitical malware, but you shills seem to think that you can defend Denuvo with lies and not be questioned about it.

[CoastVybz]

cry more

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Dahn님이 먼저 게시:

Well, a simple search shows that loads of Denuvo games have been cracked, within the last 2 years as well.
So, again, you are lying.

well, no, they haven't, but you can believe what you want to believe

and i'm not "defending" denuvo, i'm simply stating facts

[Large Tomatoes]

space님이 먼저 게시:

well, no, they're not, whatever you're seeing aren't "legit" releases, they're dummy files meant to infect your system with cryptominers or ransomware

there hasn't been anyone doing denuvo since 2023

This is false, I understand where you get this impression, there's quite a few posts about "the only person who could crack Denovu was Empress" and as most know she is out of the scene. But as somebody who has an interest in reverse engineering (no, I do not pirate any games now that I can afford them) I like to keep up to date with whitehat security research. There have been multiple people who have cracked every version of Denovu to date, sometimes it is hard and takes time but these are prime targets for people who get a kick out of cracking security. Does anybody truly believe only one person on the planet has the ability to crack Denovu, really?

The biggest issue is that cracking groups operate based on demand, and lately AAA games have been mostly trash so nobody is demanding them. I'm sure everybody has heard about the modding group who tried to improve Starfield but stopped because the game is boring, well the same applies to the garbage being peddled these days in the cracking scene.

With that said, yes, they are still being cracked. I'm not going to give out any links for obvious reasons, but a quick bit of research has led me to find several Denovu protected games that came out well after 2023 that have been cracked.

But again, Denovu does not save money as the sellers claim, it does not prevent loss of sales due to piracy because the people who pirate games are never going to buy the game in the first place. Aside from DRM being an anti-tamper mechanism and causing performance issues, it is something that many of us are against due to the subscription culture that has infested gaming. Personally I despise DRM even if it has zero impact on performance, for the same reasons that I only run Windows on my gaming rig and everything else runs Linux, which by the way is a sentiment shared by Valve.

[Dahn]

space님이 먼저 게시:

Dahn님이 먼저 게시:

Well, a simple search shows that loads of Denuvo games have been cracked, within the last 2 years as well.
So, again, you are lying.

well, no, they haven't, but you can believe what you want to believe

and i'm not "defending" denuvo, i'm simply stating facts

"Facts" that you cannot provide ANY evidence of, other than you said them...
Well, forgive us for ever doubting you... /sarcasm

And you STILL have not explained what you are even doing here, trying to defend Denuvo with lies, when you don't own the game itself...

[Grae]

aint no Denuvo on my system, show screenshots of your file location?