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Shame about denuvo
I have had my eye on this game for a while but it seems i missed it would be including denuvo so i will have to give it a pass while the publishers feel the need to install 3rd party software onto my device to play it
Отредактировано DrLegit; 25 мар в 4:45
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Автор сообщения: space
Автор сообщения: Exsilium Games
wait - i thought this was a single player game, why would it need anti-cheat software?
denuvo anti tamper isn't anti cheat software
Yes it is, they combined it into one piece of software
Автор сообщения: Dahn
Автор сообщения: space
denuvo anti tamper isn't anti cheat software
Yes it is, they combined it into one piece of software
Can't find anything about this so... proof?
Автор сообщения: Dahn
Yes it is, they combined it into one piece of software
no they didn't

denuvo anti tamper and denuvo anti cheat are entirely separate, this game doesn't use denuvo anti cheat
Автор сообщения: space
Автор сообщения: Dahn
Yes it is, they combined it into one piece of software
no they didn't

denuvo anti tamper and denuvo anti cheat are entirely separate, this game doesn't use denuvo anti cheat
isnt it a single player game?
Автор сообщения: Witch ~
Автор сообщения: space
no they didn't

denuvo anti tamper and denuvo anti cheat are entirely separate, this game doesn't use denuvo anti cheat
isnt it a single player game?

Yes and?

That's why it only uses anti-tamper and not anti-cheat.
Автор сообщения: Kunovega
Автор сообщения: Witch ~
isnt it a single player game?

Yes and?

That's why it only uses anti-tamper and not anti-cheat.

Does not mean anything, if you change your savegame in an editor its tampering. Most of the time it allows it, but if you change the game .ini .dll for example to disable features you dont like it stops you from starting. It can be something easy like forced 2k resulution, Motionblur, VIngette or even decreasing particle effects or turn them of outright.

Not every game provides these options, most casual gamer dont care. Ergo they think everything is fine with stopping your abilitiy to do so, because they never encounter it. Hence the "casusal" wording.

For me its a nobuy I cant do what I want with the game. Install an unofficial mod, game is tampered with. Change the weight limit in the game files, games tampered with and so on.

Most of the time they dont flag not invasive tampering, means you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ untill they do. That goes for every mod that changes or enables unofficial online features and so on. It outright stops them from existing in the first place. Soooo no thanks. This problem is deeper then just saying its not that big of a deal. Or make a difference between tamper and cheat.
Автор сообщения: CasaRomeo
Автор сообщения: Kunovega

Yes and?

That's why it only uses anti-tamper and not anti-cheat.

Does not mean anything, if you change your savegame in an editor its tampering. Most of the time it allows it, but if you change the game .ini .dll for example to disable features you dont like it stops you from starting. It can be something easy like forced 2k resulution, Motionblur, VIngette or even decreasing particle effects or turn them of outright.

Not every game provides these options, most casual gamer dont care. Ergo they think everything is fine with stopping your abilitiy to do so, because they never encounter it. Hence the "casusal" wording.

For me its a nobuy I cant do what I want with the game. Install an unofficial mod, game is tampered with. Change the weight limit in the game files, games tampered with and so on.

Most of the time they dont flag not invasive tampering, means you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ untill they do. That goes for every mod that changes or enables unofficial online features and so on. It outright stops them from existing in the first place. Soooo no thanks. This problem is deeper then just saying its not that big of a deal. Or make a difference between tamper and cheat.

You really have no idea what you're talking about. It doesn't prevent most mods, only ones that alter the launch exe.

Denuvo creates a key on your system registry which is what is used to verify you own the game. The anti-tamper part means that the core executable can't be edited which has nothing to do with mods. Mods edit the files of the game not the exe.
Автор сообщения: Kunovega
Denuvo creates a key on your system registry which is what is used to verify you own the game. The anti-tamper part means that the core executable can't be edited which has nothing to do with mods. Mods edit the files of the game not the exe.
The Denuvo token is a plain text file not a registry entry.

Also - without the ability to reverse engineer the executable, pivotal modifications complex mods rely on such as SKSE would have never existed. Why do you think Bethesda - despite using it on everything they publish - never used Denuvo on their own games?

Before criticizing others for "ignorance," it's important to be sure your own information is accurate.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo
Автор сообщения: lukaself
Автор сообщения: Kunovega
Denuvo creates a key on your system registry which is what is used to verify you own the game. The anti-tamper part means that the core executable can't be edited which has nothing to do with mods. Mods edit the files of the game not the exe.
The Denuvo token is a plain text file not a registry entry.

Also - without the ability to reverse engineer the executable, pivotal modifications complex mods rely on such as SKSE would have never existed. Why do you think Bethesda - despite using it on everything they publish - never used Denuvo on their own games?

Before criticizing others for "ignorance," it's important to be sure your own information is accurate.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo

That's the offline token, which is something else. You're trying to correct me without even knowing what I was referencing.
Автор сообщения: Kunovega
Автор сообщения: lukaself
The Denuvo token is a plain text file not a registry entry.

Also - without the ability to reverse engineer the executable, pivotal modifications complex mods rely on such as SKSE would have never existed. Why do you think Bethesda - despite using it on everything they publish - never used Denuvo on their own games?

Before criticizing others for "ignorance," it's important to be sure your own information is accurate.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo

That's the offline token, which is something else. You're trying to correct me without even knowing what I was referencing.
Feel free to substantiate. I did, and my point stands in the meantime: The license info is stored in a local file, not the registry. Paraphrasing to prevent any misunderstanding: Denuvo does not create "a key on your system registry which is what is used to verify you own the game."

My point about mods also stands on its own: Denuvo hampers complex modding.
Отредактировано lukaself; 29 апр в 7:11
Автор сообщения: lukaself
Feel free to substantiate. I did, and my point stands in the meantime: The license info is stored in a local file, not the registry. Paraphrasing so you can't try to gaslight your way out again: Denuvo does not create "a key on your system registry which is what is used to verify you own the game."

My point about mods also stands on its own.

Interesting how you would attempt to use a wiki, which are by their nature unreliable, to prove a point.
A point which is NOT proven by the Wiki link you provided.
Nowhere on that page does it say that "The license info is stored in a local file, not the registry."
True, it does not say that the info is stored in the registry either, but that it's almost always integrated into the exe or a dll file.
But it's outright laughable to try to claim that Denuvo licence information is stored in plain text files in a local file on a computer that is infected with Denuvo.
EVERYTHING that Denuvo does is hidden and secretive, entwined within the game so that it cannot be easily unravelled from the game, so why would they leave an important piece of information in plain text where it can be easily found and read?

But truly, being picky about how licence information is stored is not seeing the woods for the trees.
I couldn't care LESS about minor facts like that, when the whole thing is malware and designed to get in the way of the program and players.
Derailing the conversation like that is not benefiting anyone.

It's long known that Denuvo CAN prevent all kinds of modding, depending upon how the developers have set it up inside of their game.
But that is something that varies from game to game and there is no way whatsoever that any broad statement can apply to all games infected with Denuvo.

What CAN be stated without any doubt whatsoever is that Denuvo is a plague upon gaming that has repeatedly shown to often impact the experience of the person playing the game, taking away cycles that should be used to power the game to instead run their secretive tests and monitor the player's computer.

While you get some people say that there are no issues whatsoever with Denuvo, they often prove to be trolls or paid liars who will say anything to protect and defend that company and program, which in itself is extremely suspicious.

Denuvo have repeatedly lied about their toxic program, refused to permit any form of official testing to be run unless they have full control of every aspect of the tests and environment, which is also suspicious.

They have been caught lying about their malware repeatedly, lying to customers, in interviews, to publishers and developers alike.

They have admitted to paying people to lie and obviscate in forums on their behalf, and have been more interested in pushing lies and misinformation than even slightly telling the truth about their malware, claiming that ANYTHING that they say could be used to defeat their toxic program.

Whether a piece of information is stored in a file, in the registry, or within the games files is irrelevant.
Автор сообщения: Dahn
Whether a piece of information is stored in a file, in the registry, or within the games files is irrelevant.
"Know thy enemy" would apply there. To truly interact with a system (whether to reverse-engineer, secure, or optimize it), you need to understand its structure—not just that the data exists, but how it's stored and used. Data placement, obfuscation, and access patterns are critical pieces of the puzzle.

The Denuvo license file does not need to be hidden because it's encrypted using an AES 256-bit key which would take 2.29*10^32 years to crack. There's no evidence it writes its license file to the registry. Kunovega claimed it did and that would be trivially easy to prove if that were true since they would simply have to give us the key location in the registry to verify ourselves - however, they did not do that. The wiki I cited contains all the known locations for every version of Denuvo.

I think my position on Denuvo speaks for itself since I'm a member of Denuvo Watch, I'm clearly against Denuvo. I have no idea why you feel the need to lecture me about fighting anti-consumer practices.
Отредактировано lukaself; 29 апр в 7:19
Автор сообщения: Dahn
Автор сообщения: lukaself
The Denuvo token is a plain text file not a registry entry.
and now you are saying that
Автор сообщения: lukaself
it's encrypted using an AES 256-bit key which would take 2.29*10^32 years to crack.
From someone who is trying to throw their weight around and prove something, maybe you should be consistent?
The plain text file contains a series of numbers which is your hardware information in an encrypted form using a reversible mathematical function. This is not a contradictory statement and a well known feature of Denuvo. I suggest reading the link I provided so you can have a basic idea of how it works.

The license file is located at <Steam-folder>\userdata\<user-id>\<steam-appid>\dbdata
for older games with Denuvo or for more recent games <Steam-folder>\userdata\<user-id>\<steam-appid>\######## - you can easily check this for yourself.

I understand your sentiment and I absolutely agree that Denuvo needs to go but I have no idea why you're lashing out at me for disagreeing with Kunovega who's been claiming without proof the license file is written in the registry. I think you're attacking the wrong target here and yes, I did read your whole comment but I can't even tell what you want from me?
Edit: The post I was replying to has been deleted.
Отредактировано lukaself; 4 ч. назад
Автор сообщения: Dahn
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He just trolls like this in every denuvo thread, he's been like this for years. He does nothing but promote piracy and post lies about denuvo for most of the last decade.
Are you saying that I am promoting piracy and lying about Denuvo, or that someone else is?
Confused by your comment
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