Shame about denuvo

[DrLegit]

I have had my eye on this game for a while but it seems i missed it would be including denuvo so i will have to give it a pass while the publishers feel the need to install 3rd party software onto my device to play it

[Witch ~]

Denuvo? Yikes, not buying it

[Karlington]

Originalmente postado por DrLegit:

Originalmente postado por Karlington:

What are the issues with Denuvo?

I'm not trying to get involved in a debate here, and I'm not playing dumb. I genuinely have no idea what the issues are, so I'm trying to learn. :)

https://www.techspot.com/news/92130-denuvo-behind-game-outages-over-weekend.html

I wont give my own opinion in an attempt to persuade you. I will give you a situation where denuvo was involved and let you decide for yourself if it made the games better or worse.

Thank you! :)

That issue seemed to be a one-time thing almost three and a half years ago, unless I'm misreading something?

I think it might be better to just give your own opinion, persuasion-oriented or not, heh. As long as it's based on objective facts rather than subjectivity, it'd be helpful, if you don't mind. :)

[NamelessDead]

Blame Piracy. Not The Developers

[Dahn]

Originalmente postado por NamelessDead:

Blame Piracy. Not The Developers

It's been proven time and time again, that piracy isn't the problem, it's a reaction to bad publishing.

Steam has proven that providing a good service for the games reduces piracy more than anything else has.
And GOG has shown that using these anti-consumer practices doesn't stop piracy and not having DRM doesn't stop good sales.

You are just pushing publisher's lies for them

[NamelessDead]

Ok Dahn, So Can You Go And Download A Version of Atomfall Right Now Without Paying For It?

[space]

Originalmente postado por Dahn:

It's been proven time and time again, that piracy isn't the problem, it's a reaction to bad publishing.

Steam has proven that providing a good service for the games reduces piracy more than anything else has.
And GOG has shown that using these anti-consumer practices doesn't stop piracy and not having DRM doesn't stop good sales.

You are just pushing publisher's lies for them

none of that has been proven, piracy is still rampant on games without denuvo or online authentication

and gog has been bleeding money for years, they barely make a profit

[NamelessDead]

Space Literally Delivered The Final Blow. Topic Solved

[DrLegit]

Originalmente postado por Karlington:

Originalmente postado por DrLegit:

https://www.techspot.com/news/92130-denuvo-behind-game-outages-over-weekend.html

I wont give my own opinion in an attempt to persuade you. I will give you a situation where denuvo was involved and let you decide for yourself if it made the games better or worse.

Thank you! :)

That issue seemed to be a one-time thing almost three and a half years ago, unless I'm misreading something?

I think it might be better to just give your own opinion, persuasion-oriented or not, heh. As long as it's based on objective facts rather than subjectivity, it'd be helpful, if you don't mind. :)

It was more of an example of the fact that when denuvo is involved. the decision as to whether you can play your games or not is not in your hands nor the developers/publishers hands but in denuvo's. There are many more examples to show denuvo removing the ability to play games from players who bought the game, I just picked the first one I found after a quick search to show that point.

[peck]

Thank you for pointing this out. I'm not willing to risk all those headaches with a malware (behavior, not purpose) bundled game.

For those wondering why some of us avoid Denuvo-protected games, here's a rough breakdown of issues that have been observed over the years:

— **Performance Impact**
Multiple benchmarks have shown decreased frame rates and increased CPU usage in titles using Denuvo, especially near release. Some devs quietly patch it out later, which makes comparisons awkward — but the difference is real in certain cases.

— **System Instability / Crashes**
Denuvo has caused instability, crashes on launch, and issues during gameplay. Games like *Rime* and *Resident Evil Village* saw performance or stability gains after its removal.

— **Always-Online DRM Dependency**
Some Denuvo implementations require constant or periodic online checks, even for single-player games. If their servers are down or your connection is flaky, you're locked out of content you paid for.

— **Potential Privacy Intrusion**
It runs at a low level and hooks into the OS in ways that many consider overreach. There’s been suspicion (never fully clarified) about what data gets accessed or transmitted. Even without malicious intent, it's invasive by design.

— **OS-Level Integration / Kernel-Like Behavior**
The level of integration with Windows has caused conflicts with certain drivers and configurations. A few users have reported BSODs or incompatibilities, especially in edge-case setups.

— **Abandonware Risk**
Once Denuvo is baked in, it's not guaranteed the publisher will remove it later. If they drop support or go bankrupt, you could lose access to your game entirely once Denuvo stops authenticating.

— **Emulation / Modding Problems**
Denuvo often interferes with mods, tools, and emulators — even innocent ones. It complicates user freedom, especially for preservationists or people who just want to tweak their experience.

— **Poor Communication from Devs/Publishers**
Many don’t disclose its inclusion pre-release, which leads to mistrust. Users find out post-purchase, which feels like a bait-and-switch. This however wasn't the case here. I overlooked it by my own fault on the store page. I simply though game developers knew better nowadays.

Bottom line: even if it isn’t malware in intent, it acts like it. Limited transparency, low-level system access, unpredictable behavior, and forced online checks — it's just not worth it for many of us. I’d rather support devs who trust their customers instead.

[NamelessDead]

1. Zero Performance Problems Unless Your Trying To Run It On A Potato PC From The Interchange
2. Zero Instability or Crashes Unless Your Trying To Run It On A Potato PC From The Interchange
3. Almost Everything Requires Online & Almost Everyone Has Access To The Internet Unless You Live In The Interchange.
4. It's Hardly A Privacy Intrusion Having Access To Game Related Data To Help Understand Technical Issues. I Don't Think An English Game Studio Have Any Interest In Your Life Other Than To Help With Technical Issues On The Projects They Sell, They Solved My Issues With The Game & It Runs Allot Smoother Due To There Evil Privacy Intrusion.

5/6/7/8/9 Are Scraping The Barrel, Most Windows Apps/Programs Have Limited Access To Your System To Fix Bugs/Stability, To Know Your Hardware, To Verify Its Legit.

& Bottom Line Is It Isn't Malware...

[CasaRomeo]

Originalmente postado por Matt:

How many of these useless threads are going to be posted?!

For me its not useless I wanted to know if it has denuvo, so thanks DrLegit. There are people who look for this stuff. Like others look for Steamdeck support, you wouln´t say their question is as useless right?

Ok next nobuy game untill its removed.

[DrLegit]

Originalmente postado por NamelessDead:

1. Zero Performance Problems Unless Your Trying To Run It On A Potato PC From The Interchange
2. Zero Instability or Crashes Unless Your Trying To Run It On A Potato PC From The Interchange
3. Almost Everything Requires Online & Almost Everyone Has Access To The Internet Unless You Live In The Interchange.
4. It's Hardly A Privacy Intrusion Having Access To Game Related Data To Help Understand Technical Issues. I Don't Think An English Game Studio Have Any Interest In Your Life Other Than To Help With Technical Issues On The Projects They Sell, They Solved My Issues With The Game & It Runs Allot Smoother Due To There Evil Privacy Intrusion.

5/6/7/8/9 Are Scraping The Barrel, Most Windows Apps/Programs Have Limited Access To Your System To Fix Bugs/Stability, To Know Your Hardware, To Verify Its Legit.

& Bottom Line Is It Isn't Malware...

"Unless"

If you need to say "unless" then those things you're trying to pretend arent a problem, are a problem... just not for you.

I.e. you have disproven yourself

[NamelessDead]

I Don't Need A Conspiracy Theory Or A Psychologist, Keep To The Topic Thanks.

[DrLegit]

Originalmente postado por NamelessDead:

I Don't Need A Conspiracy Theory Or A Psychologist, Keep To The Topic Thanks.

Please re-read your own reply

[Dahn]

Originalmente postado por NamelessDead:

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You can keep spamming your biased nonsense, but your lies are not going to win over ANYBODY who has an issue with Denuvo.

Why are you so gung ho about defending this particular company?
Are they paying you to do so?

We KNOW that they pay people to defend them on forums, they were outed for it years ago.
And there is literally no benefit to anyone but their company, defending their brand.

All those negatives have been PROVEN time and time again, and all Denuvo always do is blame everyone but themselves, even when it's proven that games run better without their malware on board.

So come on then stooge, explain to us all WHY you are spending so much time and effort trying to protect Denuvo?
I bet you have NO reason whatsoever, except that they are paying you, which you will not be allowed to say.