Remove any Production Bug

[bryan.cole.j]

When playing a card that removes production from any player, the action is not optional - you must remove a production, even if you are the only one with that production. Just his this with Mining Consortium, but presumably this will apply to all production types. Per manual, this is optional, not required.

[Roderick]

No. If it say you have to remove, then you have to remove. It isn't optional in the board game either.

[DeeCee]

Based on what the OP wrote, if he meant removing production from a red bordered resource where the target can be opponents or self, then yes it IS optional. Otherwise, yes you have to decrease your own resource/production as part of the card cost.

[Roderick]

Originally posted by DeeCee:

Based on what the OP wrote, if he meant removing production from a red bordered resource where the target can be opponents or self, then yes it IS optional. Otherwise, yes you have to decrease your own resource/production as part of the card cost.

Look it up. Basicly every forum this question is asked, the answer is the same:
"It's playable, but he'd have to have reduced his own production. Negative red border 'stuff' can be ignored, but negative red border 'production' must ALWAYS be paid from somewhere. The red means any player, not any OTHER player and so if the only source to remove from is him, then it is removed from him. "
(https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1993518/removing-production-cards)

[Jonばruby]

Per the manual, it is only optional if you are removing a resource - not a production. Red-bordered icons are not optional if it's a production icon.

[DeeCee]

Originally posted by Roderick:

Originally posted by DeeCee:

Based on what the OP wrote, if he meant removing production from a red bordered resource where the target can be opponents or self, then yes it IS optional. Otherwise, yes you have to decrease your own resource/production as part of the card cost.

Look it up. Basicly every forum this question is asked, the answer is the same:
"It's playable, but he'd have to have reduced his own production. Negative red border 'stuff' can be ignored, but negative red border 'production' must ALWAYS be paid from somewhere. The red means any player, not any OTHER player and so if the only source to remove from is him, then it is removed from him. "
(https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1993518/removing-production-cards)

Thought that the rulebook had made it clear so I've actually looked it up and there it is. Page 9.
Article 2, 2nd paragraph. "Resources or production with a red frame means that you CAN affect any player you choose (even yourself)."

Keyword CAN. Followed by the line

"Resources or production without red frames always affect yourself and must be performed."

Correct me if I'm wrong but can means affirmative by choice, not mandatory like the word "must" used in the follow-up sentence above. And the link given are just player interpreted rules that aren't confirmed by the creator, unless I'm missing something obvious, right?

[DeeCee]

Ok, nevermind, did a bit more digging and https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1705209/official-faq-rules-clarifications the creator himself clarified it under Section 2 :

"Removing resources optional
Effects that remove your own resources are mandatory, while effects that remove resources from any player (marked by a red border around the resource icon) are voluntary and may be performed in full, in part or not at all. Only one player or card may be targeted at a time with the effects of a card. Removing production is always mandatory."

My bad, disregard what I said then :)

[orjan.almen]

Rules, page 15 states:

Red border on icons

When an icon has a red border, it means that it
targets any player (you or an opponent).

A card that removes red-borded resources, may
remove those resources from any one player (this effect may
also be performed partly, or not at all).

A card effect that reduces production of a redbordered
resource must be performed, so if your opponent
doesn’t have that production, then you must lower your own
production or not play the card at all.

A card with a red-bordered tile icon targets any or
all players’ tiles.

A card with a red-bordered tag icon targets all cards
with that icon, whether they belong to you or another player.

[Roderick]

Originally posted by DeeCee:

Ok, nevermind, did a bit more digging and https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1705209/official-faq-rules-clarifications the creator himself clarified it under Section 2 :

"Removing resources optional
Effects that remove your own resources are mandatory, while effects that remove resources from any player (marked by a red border around the resource icon) are voluntary and may be performed in full, in part or not at all. Only one player or card may be targeted at a time with the effects of a card. Removing production is always mandatory."

My bad, disregard what I said then :)

Thanks for looking that up, too. I don't have the english rulebook, so I started to get afraid of translation errors. ^^

[bryan.cole.j]

Awesome - thanks everyone. Now I know better!