Which is your most favourite GoldSrc game and why?

[Małcin]

My top 10 GoldSrc games:
10.Brutal Half-Life
9.Blue Shift
8.Opposing Force
7.Sven Co-op
6.Counter-Life
5.Half-Life(story+deathmath the both is in one game)
4.TF Classic
3.CS Nexon
2.Counter-Strike CZ(Normal+Deleted Scenes because it should be in one)
1.Counter-Strike 1.6

I most love CS 1.6 because this is most modded this game,have bots and realistic sound of for 2000's years,have a lot of skins and have the awsome classic sounds,they are too have the classics sounds but this is most playable and voisable(lots lots lots people saying in playing this Counter-Strike much much much more than in CS CZ).Soo I guess I don't have to summarize it.


Sorry for my unperfect english.

[UmbralPenumbra]

Counter-Strike Condition Zero: Deleted Scenes
Sven Coop 3.0
James Bond 007: Nightfire
Half-Life: Decay
Half-Life: Blue Shift
The Specialists
Half-Life
Half-Life: Opposing Force
Counter-Strike 1.6
Counter-Strike Condition Zero

I list CZ and DS separately, because they're separate games

CZ makes the top 10 for me because of the multiplayer, but the single player isn't that great. By the time I get to Tour 2 on Hard the game becomes almost impossible for me. Before anyone says "Git gud", if you're better at it than I am then congratulations, have fun, but trying to play Italy or Tides with low-ish skill bots and Ts that react instantly is just a nightmare. Teammates are either completely useless or will get in your way just to steal a kill you needed for a Challenge. If you don't survive a couple rounds you're not going to be able to afford certain weapons you need so you may as well start over. It's tedious AF. There's also a lot of luck involved depending on what the Ts and your teammates decide to do. Sometimes you can finish all Challenges in 1 round and sometimes you just fail over and over and over because of the Ts that instantaneously headshot you with a MAC10 from a mile away, or you watch your entire team run into a firing squad and all die. Smokes are extremely useful but have a degree of randomness as to whether the Ts can actually see you or not, and because you can only carry 1 you have to be more careful with how you use them unless it's a map where you can quickly fall back to the buy zone to purchase more

DS is basically everything a single player game should be and a classic example of 'oldschool' / janky design. But this is the CZ forum so I won't go too much into it here

[cambreaKer]

bruh this is like the 3rd time you post the same exact topic here, and brutal halflife/counter life aren't friggin games, they're mods. it's like saying my favourite goldsrc game is gomod

[Małcin]

it's type of games about counter-life(it's unofficial game but this game requests original Half-Life)

[LeviN]

Which as mentioned, is a mod. Your thread is misleading

[UmbralPenumbra]

Originally posted by cambreaKer:

aren't friggin games, they're mods

So mods aren't games now?

[cambreaKer]

Originally posted by Superfluous Man:

Originally posted by cambreaKer:

aren't friggin games, they're mods

So mods aren't games now?

they never were games?

[UmbralPenumbra]

You're being ridiculous

[cambreaKer]

Originally posted by Superfluous Man:

You're being ridiculous

Don't be ridiculous.

[LeviN]

Originally posted by Superfluous Man:

Originally posted by cambreaKer:

aren't friggin games, they're mods

So mods aren't games now?

They aren’t. I create zombie mods for the game. Does that entail a new game or new gameplay (modification) to the game?

[UmbralPenumbra]

Mods are games which are a modification of another game, this isn't a hard question

By your logic, Half Life isn't a game because it's a heavily modded Quake (which it is)

Gearbox said very little of the original GoldSrc is evident in Nightfire, does that mean it's no longer a GoldSrc game? Cambreaker himself has counted it before as a GoldSrc game in past discussions, but if it's a modification of an existing game it can't be, if mods aren't games
Is it because it doesn't use any models or textures form Half Life? If so, total conversions would still count as games under that definition, and CS wouldn't because it contains HL content

Did CS stop being a mod once it had a standalone release? Then why are standalone mods a thing? Are total conversions not games? Are standalone mods only games once they become monetized?

If you still disagree I need a more detailed description of how you delineate what a game is and why a game that modifies a prior game doesn't count

[cambreaKer]

so by your logic, i make a new npc model for HL and release it as a mod, and it suddenly becomes an actual game?? that's pretty stupid. it's like saying i made a whole new game because i just changed 1 pixel on a texture from doom. it's simple, a mod is just a modification of a game. a game is a friggin game. you don't understand that?

[konstantynopolitaneczka]

Originally posted by cambreaKer:

so by your logic, i make a new npc model for HL and release it as a mod, and it suddenly becomes an actual game?? that's pretty stupid. it's like saying i made a whole new game because i just changed 1 pixel on a texture from doom. it's simple, a mod is just a modification of a game. a game is a friggin game. you don't understand that?

+1


Although if mod was really big and somehow more advanced than base game, you could separate it and make standalone game based on that mod. Dota was created this way (it was WoW mod).

[konstantynopolitaneczka]

Originally posted by Superfluous Man:

Mods are games which are a modification of another game, this isn't a hard question

By your logic, Half Life isn't a game because it's a heavily modded Quake (which it is)

Gearbox said very little of the original GoldSrc is evident in Nightfire, does that mean it's no longer a GoldSrc game? Cambreaker himself has counted it before as a GoldSrc game in past discussions, but if it's a modification of an existing game it can't be, if mods aren't games
Is it because it doesn't use any models or textures form Half Life? If so, total conversions would still count as games under that definition, and CS wouldn't because it contains HL content

Did CS stop being a mod once it had a standalone release? Then why are standalone mods a thing? Are total conversions not games? Are standalone mods only games once they become monetized?

If you still disagree I need a more detailed description of how you delineate what a game is and why a game that modifies a prior game doesn't count

I make mods for games. Following your logic does it mean I'm game developer?

[konstantynopolitaneczka]

Originally posted by Superfluous Man:

Originally posted by Rademenes16:

I make mods for games. Following your logic does it mean I'm game developer?

Does paper stop being paper once you draw on it? Does modifying something that already existed mean you're not an artist?

Neither of you have defined what you think a game is and why a mod doesn't count. I even gave several tentative possible explanations to jump start your brain to think about it, but you deliberately chose not to

Until I see that, the conversation is stalled because you're intentionally refusing to define your terms, so you can keep your argument in the dark where it can't be criticized. If you're ever done with the chicanery let me know

here
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/


see how mods look like
they're like addons, not stand-alone games

[cambreaKer]

lol did he delete his post lmfao