this is not a roguelike. it's just trpg

[Neiro]

it's just trpg

[Neiro]

let's take a closer look at this and find out. and so what is represented here from Roguelike the death of a character? in most trpg it is permanent. but along with this there is a resurrection beginning with the last boss and much more so what is it Roguelike?

[Runiver]

There is roguelike elements with traits and with the fact you can just start over with several stat boosts and by keeping elements of gameplay from previous playthrough.
So yes, it has roguelike elements.

[Neiro]

no it's not in this game

[Runiver]

Ok.

[Neiro]

what you say is not the main factor of the genre

and is in many games and is called +ng

[Kyubab]

it's not a roguelike, but it has some elements of a roguelike.

[Neiro]

fire emblem roguelike?
xcom?

[Neiro]

Originally posted by Weapon of Mass Seduction:

it's not a roguelike, but it has some elements of a roguelike.

detailed

[Zebedee]

How are you defining 'roguelike', Neiro? If you follow strict old school definitions, no, it's not a roguelike. If you are a little more flexible of a definition then permadeath (yes, I know resurrection exists but it's rare) and turn-based qualify it. Biggest step away from roguelike is in using designed maps rather than procedural generation.

[Runiver]

Originally posted by Neiro:

fire emblem roguelike?
xcom?

You don't keep characters/traits/bonus stats over different playthrough in any of these.
There's no "Starting over with overpowered characters" or "NG+" either.

Especially with X-com and Fire Emblem which are games you are FORCED to go ONWARDS. You literally cannot play beginner missions anymore once you played enough of them.

I don't get what you don't understand this simple difference.

[Akameka]

Rogue-lite. Tactical rogue-lite to be precise.

- System besed on Runs (Remembrances) with a known pattern. (7 days --> Boss --> new ennemies/areas --> Repeat
- Progression between runs with boosted stats.
- No controlled Characters interactions (those defines the RPG genre)
- Randomisation of missions ( even if the maps are not randomly generated, ennemies and their placements are)
- Randomisation of oportunities. Number/type of missions and their difficulties.
- Traits which semi-randomly affect characters in good or bad ways.
- Your characters stats increase with random loot and skills.
- Auto-save only.
- Permadeath in each run ( you can resurrect, but it's opportunity only/granted by progression, and other rogue-lites also have perks and stuff which avoid your death.)
- Quite unforgiving. At same level, you outplay your ennemies or you take heavy injuries/die.
- There is a final mission.


Also you are right, Xcom is not a rogueLite EDIT : even with mods, it can't be one because there is no progression conserved between your tries.

[Neiro]

Originally posted by Runiver:

Originally posted by Neiro:

fire emblem roguelike?
xcom?

You don't keep characters/traits/bonus stats over different playthrough in any of these.
There's no "Starting over with overpowered characters" or "NG+" either.

Especially with X-com and Fire Emblem which are games you are FORCED to go ONWARDS. You literally cannot play beginner missions anymore once you played enough of them.

I don't get what you don't understand this simple difference.

she's a roguelike just like them

[Neiro]

rogue-lite this is not a genre

[Akameka]

Ok.

"The exact definition of a roguelike game remains a point of debate in the video game community. A "Berlin Interpretation" drafted in 2008 defined a number of high- and low-value factors that distinguished the "pure" roguelike games Rogue, NetHack and Angband from edge cases like Diablo. Since then, with more powerful home computers and gaming systems and the rapid growth of indie video game development, several new "roguelikes" have appeared, with some but not all of these high-value factors, nominally the use of procedural generation and permadeath, while often incorporating other gameplay genres, thematic elements, and graphical styles; common examples of these include Spelunky, FTL: Faster Than Light, and The Binding of Isaac. To distinguish these from traditional roguelikes, such games may be referred to as "ROGUE-LITE", "roguelike-like", or "procedural death labyrinths"."

Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roguelike

[Neiro]

once again, this is not a genre. and this game is a regular TRPG