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Goku420 2019 年 2 月 12 日 上午 7:32
No guns for cops
Seen some pictures with British Police with a handgun icon , maybe change it to a fist/strength icon.

UK and Ireland do not have standard armed police. Lots of European local/city police are not armed either (national police forces).
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MightyOwl 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 12:45 
We do have armed police though, so while they shouldn't be the majority of the force, they should exist for sure.
zulu354 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 12:55 
Germany has armed polices officers as well. They used to be armed with pistols, but since the security situation in Europe has drastically changed, they often have submachineguns on their vehicles as well... =/
Purno 2019 年 2 月 15 日 上午 8:13 
AFAIK in my country every cop carries a pistol, but they'll only use it as a last resort. Every time a cop actually fires a shot, it'll be followed by an investigation. They're certainly not as trigger happy as in the US, but your average burglar doesn't carry a gun either. I doubt the cops have SMGs laying around in their vehicles, I think that's what they have special forces for.
zulu354 2019 年 2 月 15 日 上午 11:55 
引用自 Purno
AFAIK in my country every cop carries a pistol, but they'll only use it as a last resort. Every time a cop actually fires a shot, it'll be followed by an investigation. They're certainly not as trigger happy as in the US, but your average burglar doesn't carry a gun either. I doubt the cops have SMGs laying around in their vehicles, I think that's what they have special forces for.

The weapons are not just lying around, they are secured for reason. But infact, most police patrol cars here have them since a few years. If I recall correctly, newspaper wrote about that, when they introduced it and it was a MP5 with about 50 rounds. Could be more or less ammunition, though.
ブリッジス テウタ 2019 年 2 月 15 日 下午 7:29 
Tell that to the "Gilets jaunes" in France...

That said, It would be interesting as part of the game, even if it's focused on an Emergency simulation, to be able to send (un)armed police...

We miss a good riot simulator, that said.... With all that happened in the recent years, the theme is quite vast and rich to explore without being politically-sided. But that's another story.

bardosy[HUN] 2019 年 2 月 28 日 上午 1:06 
Once I spoke with a police officer in Ireland and he was absolutely sure no sidearms of any other European police force. He was shocked when I told you how many country in EU have officers armed.
Seraphina985 | TTV 2019 年 3 月 1 日 上午 9:54 
引用自 Soharic
We do have armed police though, so while they shouldn't be the majority of the force, they should exist for sure.

Well for UK cities could maybe not allow regular officers to be equipped with firearms but have a smaller number of firearms officers show up as staff that you can hire. Since at least here in the UK that requires training and certification that regular police officers don't actually have, though could possibly add a send for firearms training option for police officers that takes them out of the field for a while but converts them into firearms officers too.

I also think that adding non firearm weapons like baton's would be a good idea too.
最后由 Seraphina985 | TTV 编辑于; 2019 年 3 月 1 日 上午 9:58
redstuff2468 2019 年 3 月 22 日 下午 12:08 
i live in spain and our local police generally carry glocks or barettas
Fallen King 2019 年 5 月 11 日 下午 9:57 
Police Officers, all of them, must be good equiped and prepared. Before the North Hollywood Bank Robber, Police dont have assault rifles, after that, every police cruiser/car have a M16/M4/AR15 (dont sure) in their trunk. Lesson learned. And good move in doing it, i think the LAPD it´s the first deparment in US, maybe, to do this needed movement.
If you not be prepared, the crimals will do, and organized crime is a more bigger thing day after day, in the such days he live now.

The heroes of LAPD, make a true stand this day, with only Shotguns and pistols.
Observation: The two criminals in this situation, have equiped with two AKM´s(i think it´s this model), plenty of ammo for them, bullet proof vests (with some plate armor within it too), could only be more worse than that, if they have bring grenades or some type of IED´S with them too in this day, It's good that they did not have.

Good stuff to watch about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_1IvZFwj0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SJi7G_QY0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zJV9l0dWwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1BpY9B8cAA
最后由 Fallen King 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 11 日 下午 10:12
zulu354 2019 年 5 月 12 日 上午 2:16 
And yet, US police officeres are far more trigger happy than their european counterparts. The big difference is, that weapon laws ins Europe are strict than in the US and IIRC in most parts of Europe there is prohibited to sell, buy or own automatic rifles.
Fallen King 2019 年 5 月 12 日 上午 9:03 
引用自 zulu354
And yet, US police officeres are far more trigger happy than their european counterparts. The big difference is, that weapon laws ins Europe are strict than in the US and IIRC in most parts of Europe there is prohibited to sell, buy or own automatic rifles.

Interesting what you say, but I feel like you're missing a few points,
Excuse-me you know what you are talking about? You know how this line of works function?
Pick just one part of a high stress job and talk about it isolating the rest who it´s involved in it, it´s not right to do. In US, there's a policy of: "if the criminal dont drop his weapon, show is hands and surrender following the protocol, then the criminal is engaged in combat, and it´s free to shoot at him". Sure exists cases things dont go well, because humans are not machines, dont are perfect, so always will exists a % of error. this policy is defined by the politicians of the united states, to fight crime, in a way that they find proportional. Crime is a force, if it is organized and strengthened, you can have a country like Mexico in the less worst case scenario, and one like Somalia in the most worst case scenario. Police Stations exists in Mexico, but the work, you know... But in Somalia, there´s not much Police Stations around, maybe some burned to the ground....

BUT LET´s BE AT THE IMPORTANT FACT´S (HERE BELLOW):
Shoot is part of the work, no? Because that they receive training for it, no?
Now, let´s see, they have a lot more work than that, patrol, write reports and another desk bureachy, who a lot of them do on their own, because them can do it, and would be a waste of money to hire office people only to do it for them.
It´s not rambo job, be a happy dude with a weapon and power in hands. There´s a routine with a lot of procedures and tasks, routine make people tired sometimes, it´s the psychological nature of any human being, be a cop dont make you be inhuman, you still have the human weakness and strong points. So when a cop see a bit of action, he go in action, fast thinking, for why? For not be the one who dies, for not ask the question in the end of the day: "I´m could have done different and saved that person today? Or "My partnner could be still alive if have more fast today?"
Are questions you would like to ask yourself at a end of day of work? Questions you would be asking day after day, without know the answer for them? Would you be a cop? If yes, why? And if not, why?
It's a burden, and the higher up inside the corporation, more people will be under the command of your decisions, more people can die or live based on what you've chosen to do on a day to day basis.

You would feel more safe if cops only have light weapons? Cops have regulamentations, sense of ethic in work for be their limits in their line of duty.
Armed Terrorist Cell like the one on the Paris Attacks, or these two bank robbers in North Hollywood, and inumerous examples, they have these things to limit them? No, they want to do it and everyone who stands in their way it´s just one more enemy for them remove, people like them always will be around. Terrorism, organized crime, crime, all of it, cannot be destroyed. always will be scum people, it´s the human nature, it´s the world. Imagine a world without it, it´s like imagine a world where the human it´s not human.
最后由 Fallen King 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 12 日 上午 11:19
zulu354 2019 年 5 月 12 日 上午 9:50 
I don't see the problem what do you have with me and my opinion. You can do across the atlantic ocean everything you want, but I'm fine how things in Europe are and I am neighter in need of any powerful NRA counterpart in Europe, nor do I see a point to loosen the weaponlaws how they are. If I remember correctly, policeofficers in England aren't even armed with leathal weapons a their normal duty and I can't tell, I hear everyday from a shootout in Britain. I don't know how things in the US work, but speaking of my homecountry, you have an apprenticeship of three years where you got teached the laws, how to behave and for the most: how to de-escalate situations without using a gun.

I will repeat myself to make it clear: I don't care how things are solved outside Europe, but I am absolutely fine, how things are here. And it's a good thing, that not every twit is allowed to buy and carry a gun, wich reduces the danger in most of the situations. Keep your NRA and teacher armouring Trump at your place, please. Thanks!
Fallen King 2019 年 5 月 12 日 上午 10:39 
引用自 zulu354
I don't see the problem what do you have with me and my opinion. You can do across the atlantic ocean everything you want, but I'm fine how things in Europe are and I am neighter in need of any powerful NRA counterpart in Europe, nor do I see a point to loosen the weaponlaws how they are. If I remember correctly, policeofficers in England aren't even armed with leathal weapons a their normal duty and I can't tell, I hear everyday from a shootout in Britain. I don't know how things in the US work, but speaking of my homecountry, you have an apprenticeship of three years where you got teached the laws, how to behave and for the most: how to de-escalate situations without using a gun.

I will repeat myself to make it clear: I don't care how things are solved outside Europe, but I am absolutely fine, how things are here. And it's a good thing, that not every twit is allowed to buy and carry a gun, wich reduces the danger in most of the situations. Keep your NRA and teacher armouring Trump at your place, please. Thanks!

POINT NUMBER 1: Maybe it´s because you have thinked you can judge people who in their work, analyzed the situation and have decided it´s best for shoot, judging them with not knowing nothing about their line of work. If you dont care about the the rest of world, so dont make statements like these.
POINT NUMBER 2: So you can give a opinion in the dicussion and others, no? Maybe the problem, it´s not the guns, but people who acts like that. Before existed guns, weapons already existed, with humans using is bare hands. The world is becomming a more violent place, laws about guns will be the minor of problems in the future, but you think you live before XXI century right? i´ts been a long time since people in Europe or other region could think like you, care about only what happens in their homes, but it´s your opinion ;) , stay with your toughts, no one is forcing you to change them.
最后由 Fallen King 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 12 日 上午 10:44
Fallen King 2019 年 5 月 12 日 上午 10:50 
引用自 zulu354
I don't see the problem what do you have with me and my opinion. You can do across the atlantic ocean everything you want, but I'm fine how things in Europe are and I am neighter in need of any powerful NRA counterpart in Europe, nor do I see a point to loosen the weaponlaws how they are. If I remember correctly, policeofficers in England aren't even armed with leathal weapons a their normal duty and I can't tell, I hear everyday from a shootout in Britain. I don't know how things in the US work, but speaking of my homecountry, you have an apprenticeship of three years where you got teached the laws, how to behave and for the most: how to de-escalate situations without using a gun.

I will repeat myself to make it clear: I don't care how things are solved outside Europe, but I am absolutely fine, how things are here. And it's a good thing, that not every twit is allowed to buy and carry a gun, wich reduces the danger in most of the situations. Keep your NRA and teacher armouring Trump at your place, please. Thanks!
So no carry guns, reduces danger? A psychopath will not be a psychopath just because he not carry a gun anymore? He still can make IED´s, still can pick a car and kill people, if you watch the news you will see about that. Remove guns for him will not remove their sick will to kill the people he want to kill, will only make him think more hard for acquire a way to achieve that. And in China, people who cannot have guns and wanted to do a massacre, have done, with axe´s and knife´s, etc.
In rwanda civil war, UN have blockade weapons shipments going into the country to prevent a bloodbath, so the sides decided to call for shipments of sharp tools, who are used as weapons. Search about that, acquire some knowlegde. You have bring Trump and NRA into the discussion for why? You are one of these dudes who likes to use Stereotypes, no? LOL
Defend the opinion, Police must be equiped, make me trump supporter or NRA member?
I´m not ever said about him dude, i only have posted a video about a bank roobber done in 1997 in north hollywood, Los Angeles, you dont bother to read before accuse people?
Policy about the way Cops act in US, are not bring by Trump, it´s this way for a long time, a lot of people passed by the Oval Office in White House these years, and in all these years the Policy of the Police Forces have been the same: if the criminal wants to surrender he drops his weapon and rise his hands for all to see, if he still carrying a weapon it´s because he wants to use it.

I will repeat myself to make it clear too: I´m not offending you in any way, i only giving my opinion and pointing at situations who occured around the world, if you think i´m wrong, then begin to care more about the rest of the world with all due respect sir, and do some reserach for know what is happening around, then you will can have your own conclusion about all that.
最后由 Fallen King 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 12 日 上午 11:22
zulu354 2019 年 5 月 12 日 下午 2:06 
First of all: I don't judge any police officer, doing his/her duty. What I judge is the violence, wich comes from police, sometimes coming along with unnecessary weapon usage. And in the fact, most police officers are not trained well enough to use automatic rifles. Special forces are, but not every single police officer on his daily patrol.
Number two: you can have your opinion, even if it is, at least for me, ridiculous. Sorry, but weapons don't belong in the hands of civilians by any means. I am not offending and everyone who like to have one is free to move into countries, wich allow that nonsense in my humble opinion.
Third, you can't compare a country in the state of civil war with an industrial country of the western world. Do I really need to go further with this?
And least but not last: comparing causalties in Europe with the US ones, I see that there are less...less...people dying threw weapon infliction. Sure there always will be sods like terrorists, but neighter armed civilians nor armed policeforces with auto rifles will stop them. We have a well functional system of special police forces all over europe for such cases and don't need any regular police officer to carry an automatic rifle all the day. You know: speaking for my homecountry, you can see police forces with submaschineguns on train stations or airports. But most of the people are more frightened to see police officers with subs, than police officers, carrying just their orderly pistol with them. Not in everypart of the world, heavy armed forces increasing the subjective feeling of security.
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